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My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace(Read 16773 times)
My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace on: November 19, 2009, 01:06:11 PM
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #1 on: November 19, 2009, 01:35:24 PM
Reality; A shared narrative we all agree to believe.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #2 on: November 19, 2009, 01:45:44 PM
Thank God that guy's gone.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #3 on: November 19, 2009, 02:30:54 PM
Can't you boys find a new toy to play with?
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #4 on: November 19, 2009, 03:06:15 PM
Here you go Zoomie, just for you:

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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #5 on: November 19, 2009, 03:55:04 PM
I thought we had an unspoken agreement to keep all the anti-Muslim bigotry confined to this shameful thread.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #6 on: November 19, 2009, 04:37:10 PM
I thought we had an unspoken agreement to keep all the anti-Muslim bigotry confined to this shameful thread.

Sorry.

This message board is now entirely about reducing world population by committing genocide against various religious groups.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #7 on: November 19, 2009, 04:43:59 PM
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #8 on: November 19, 2009, 04:45:56 PM
Alright, so let's kill some muslims and turn them into nachos!



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #9 on: November 19, 2009, 05:32:05 PM
As long as avocado is also part of the menu.
Nachos are the solution to everything.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #10 on: November 19, 2009, 06:20:05 PM
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Michael Jackson the jews suck, they're like leeches

I don't care because he's dead and I'm not a practicing Jew. I can't even determine my paternal genealogy. WTF do I care?
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #11 on: November 20, 2009, 03:46:34 AM
As long as avocado is also part of the menu.
Nachos are the solution to everything.

No they aren't. For a Simpsons fan, you still haven't absorbed the basics.

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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #12 on: November 20, 2009, 04:38:02 AM
Not for nothin', but if we were to allow only non-god-believers to live, there'd be a whole lotta world to go around.

Also, a shitload of people I care about/like/don't wish death upon would die, so that would suck from my perspective.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #13 on: November 20, 2009, 09:02:48 AM
Nachos are the solution to everything.

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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #14 on: November 20, 2009, 09:34:00 AM
I'm hungry now, thank you for nothing, internet
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #15 on: November 20, 2009, 09:38:16 AM
You know what I find baffling?

There's an entire region of the world where they're covering their children in blood and telling them to go kill the infidels, and somehow I'm the bigot. I mean, I really can't understand how my concern for a religion that's (by Doormouse's and other's  assertions) chosen to become a violent death cult, that wants to subjugate the world, and is frothing at the bit to kill everyone who disagrees with them has made me a bad person.

What you fail to realize (or maybe admit?) Doormouse is that these people, who you've become for some unknown reason so enamored with defending, would gleefully slice your head off just to prove how faithful they are to the religion that you claim doesn't tell them to do these things.

Don't you get it? You can tell us all day long that Islam isn't about killing the infidel and taking over the world, but if you said that to these people they'd scream Infidel and lop your head off.

You say that here in the US Muslims don't want to take over our government or kill the infidel. You say that the violence is the result of fundamentalism, and extremism, regardless of the facts that Islam's holy books themselves constantly cry out for violence and instruct it's followers to place the world under Islam's rule. So, that leads naturally to the following question.

What is extremism?

Quote from: Wikipedia
Extremism is a term used to describe the actions or ideologies of individuals or groups outside the perceived political center of a society; or otherwise claimed to violate common moral standards.

I think that's a pretty fair definition of extremism, do you agree? Now, to me I'd certainly define somebody who would like to strap on a bomb and go blow up a bunch of people as extremist, there's no doubt about it. It's certainly outside of my moral standards and such things would certainly be outside our society's accepted behaviors and ideologies.

But what are Islam's ideologies and moral standards, and how do they fall in line with your assertions that killing the infidel is an extremist interpretation of Islam?

I'd like to compare numbers, but it's difficult to figure out how many Muslims there are in the US. You see, Muslims say other groups deflate their numbers in order to make them appear less important, and  non-muslim groups claim that Muslims inflate their numbers so they appear to have more political power than they actually do.

Estimates range from about a million (which sounds way too low) and seven million. But those numbers are from 2001, so I say fuck it! Let's say there are fourteen million moderate, non blowing-shit-up, Muslims in the USA.

How do they stack up against the number of Muslims in the Middle East, where there are plenty of blowing-shit-up Muslims?
And just because I like you, I'll only include the countries where they really like blowing shit up. Let's take a look...

Iran - 63,000,000
Iraq - 23,000,000
Palestine - 3,770,000
Saudi Arabia - 22,400,000
Syria - 17,800,000
Afghanistan - 28,000,000
Pakistan - 180,000,000

Total Blowing-Shit-Up Muslim Population: 337,970,000
Total Very Generous Estimate of NBSUMP: 14,000,000

The only possible conclusion is that by the very definition of extremism itself, the non-blowing-shit-up Muslims are actually the extremists.

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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #16 on: November 20, 2009, 09:44:08 AM
I think your population counts are off.  I figured you were going to go with some kind of percentage of total population from each region.

However, I find the assumption invalid that all of the Muslims living internationally want to blow shit up, and all of the Muslims living in the USA don't want to blow shit up.

Recognize that I'm only disagreeing with the numerical side of your argument.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #17 on: November 20, 2009, 09:52:22 AM
I think your population counts are off.  I figured you were going to go with some kind of percentage of total population from each region.

Each of those countries is in excess of 90% Muslim and I generously doubled the highest US Muslim population estimate. What is splitting hairs possibly going to accomplish?

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However, I find the assumption invalid that all of the Muslims living internationally want to blow shit up, and all of the Muslims living in the USA don't want to blow shit up.

It's not about exact numbers, it's about the question of what exactly is the "moral center" of Islam. What are it's accepted norms?

I mean, how many Muslims do you really think you're going to find in those countries that don't support Jihad?

Here's another way to illustrate my point: I'm sure that you could find some little po-dunk town in the bible belt that hates pornography, I mean really hates porno. They crusade against it, burn it, shit... Let's pretend they even blew up a porno warehouse.

Would that town be representative of the USA's collective attitude toward pornography?
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #18 on: November 20, 2009, 09:55:44 AM
What is the infidel? Does it mean non-believer or something else?
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #19 on: November 20, 2009, 10:00:15 AM
You're kidding, right?
 
Yes, it's the non-believer.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #20 on: November 20, 2009, 10:07:19 AM
No I wasn't kidding, I thought maybe it meant someone who lives in a way that is morally bad.

Sorry, I struggle to get into this argument. Most religious people I've met are nicer than non-religious folk
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #21 on: November 20, 2009, 12:34:35 PM
My experiences with US Muslims (I lived in a 90% Muslim neighborhood in Detroit for 3 years) were generally pretty agreeable.  One of my friends from work took me to his mosque one time for a tour (the largest mosque in N. America) and it was pretty nice but weird, and I'm not religious so I didn't partake in anything or any of that.  Still, US Muslims I think are over-compensating in their kindness to make up for the perceived opinion of them from US interactions abroad.  In other words, all the US Muslims I've met, seem to try to be as nice and fit in as possible because 1) they are living the good life in America instead of some shit hole desert and 2) they don't want to be cast in with the lot that does the car bombings.

I taught a lot of majority Muslim kids at schools I worked at, and found them no differently behaved than similar white or black or latino kids.

There are also lots of Muslims serving in the military, and they are under similar circumstances except they have to be even on better behavior, and they tend to get cast in with dudes like Major Hasan.  I bet if Timothy McVeigh was a latino there would have practically been mexican internment camps in the Southwest, but instead he was a white christian fundamentalist.  Why don't we perceive white christian people to be more likely to blow things up?
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #22 on: November 20, 2009, 12:47:19 PM
For those that use the term infidel, it usually does mean someone who lives in a way that is morally bad. The basic assumption is that non-believers are, by their non-belief alone, morally bad livers.

Anyway, I'm not really sure I want to get into a huge discussion. I really don't think either side of the issue is at all likely to change the mind of the other side.

I think it does bear examining what's really going on here, though:
Here we are, a bunch of predominantly white Americans who consider trips to "a few states over" to be a big deal and we're discussing a religion that makes up considerably less that 5% of our national scene. (Calculation: Estimates of 15-16% atheism/agnosticism times 308 million total Americans = 46.2 million nonreligious Americans. 308 million total Americans minus 46.2 million nonreligious Americans = 261.8 religious Americans. An overestimated 14 million Muslim Americans divided by 261.8 religious Americans = 5.3% Muslim Americans.). Let's be generous and say that each of us knows 500 people personally. Considering that none of us are Muslim that means that statistically we're basing our personal understanding of Islam on 26 people or 7 millionth of 1% of the religion. (Calculation: 337,970,000 BSUMP + 14,000,000 NBSUMP = 351,970,000 Sand niggras. 26 muslims we gregarious folks know divided by 351,970,000 turban monkeys = 7 millionth of 1%). So how are we all speaking so knowledgeably about what Islam means to Muslims in general? How do we know what the "moral center of Islam" is?

We get our ideas from TV or we seek out the views we already have in print media or online. This whole thing is a giant waste of time.

To reitterate the point that I tried to make last time:
1-Islam is demonstrated to work perfectly fine for an overestimated 14 million Muslims in the USA.
2-There must be something different between Islam in the USA and the Middle East.
3-Let's call it extremism.
4-Fuck extremism.
5-Fuck the bigots who overgeneralize extremism to cover entire religions.
6-Fuck all religion equally.

There's no way for me to make myself clearer. The irrationally obstinate view that all Muslims wish harm to all non-Muslims is bigotry. Good day, sir.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #23 on: November 20, 2009, 01:26:02 PM
that's it, i'm getting nachos for lunch.
you treat me like a monologue ho



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #24 on: November 20, 2009, 01:54:49 PM
Nachos > internet arguments



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #25 on: November 20, 2009, 02:00:37 PM
Once again the Americans on the forum forget about Indo when posting about Muslims.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #26 on: November 20, 2009, 02:44:56 PM
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My experiences with US Muslims (I lived in a 90% Muslim neighborhood in Detroit for 3 years) were generally pretty agreeable.

 It's called "dissimilitude". That Islam has about half a dozen terms covering every nuance of thereof speaks volumes. Taqiyya, Kitman, el-Toque, ad nauseum. Muhammad practiced it himself, and taught his followers it was their duty to do likewise, they have spent the past thirteen centuries perfecting it.

 Not that there aren't any practicing (and utterly clueless) Muslims who are genuinely good people, just that you'd be a rube to not distrust anything they tell you about Islam or their personal beliefs. It's like being black and trusting a KKK member when he says, "It's not about hatred, it's about White Pride"... only more so.


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For those that use the term infidel, it usually does mean someone who lives in a way that is morally bad. The basic assumption is that non-believers are, by their non-belief alone, morally bad livers.

 That is the understatement of the decade. The proper translation would be "unbeliever". The Arabic word, "kafir" is just about the vilest thing you can call a human being, and is laden with connotations of justifiable violence.

The Koran and its accessories defines the kafir and says that the kafir is:

Hated- 40:35 They who dispute the signs of Allah [kafirs] without authority having reached them are greatly hated by Allah and the believers. So Allah seals up every arrogant, disdainful heart. and despised by Allah.

Mocked- 83:34 On that day the faithful will mock the kafirs, while they sit on bridal couches and watch them. Should not the kafirs be paid back for what they did?

Punished- 25:77 Say to the kafirs: My Lord does not care for you or your prayers. You have rejected the truth, so sooner or later, a punishment will come.

Beheaded- 47:4 When you encounter the kafirs on the battlefield, cut off their heads until you have thor-oughly defeated them and then take the prisoners and tie them up firmly.

Confused- 6:25 Some among them listen to you [Mohammed], but We have cast veils over their [kafirs] hearts and a heaviness to their ears so that they cannot understand our signs [the Koran].

Plotted against- 86:15 They plot and scheme against you [Mohammed], and I plot and scheme against them. Therefore, deal calmly with the kafirs and leave them alone for a while.

Terrorized- 8:12 Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, "I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the kafirs' hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fin-gers!"

Annihilated- 6:45 So the kafirs were annihilated. All praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.

Killed- 4:91 If they do not keep away from you or offer you peace or withdraw their hostilities, then seize them and kill them wherever they are. We give you complete authority over them.

Crucified- 5:33 The only reward for those who war against Allah and His messengers and strive to com-mit mischief on the earth is that they will be slain or crucified, have their alternate hands and feet cut off, or be banished from the land. This will be their disgrace in this world, and a great torment shall be theirs in the next except those who repent before you overpower them. Know that Allah is forgiving and merciful.

Made war on- 9:29 Make war on those who have received the Scriptures [Jews and Christians] but do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day. They do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden. The Christians and Jews do not follow the religion of truth until they submit and pay the poll tax [jizya], and they are humiliated.

A Muslim is not the friend of a kafir- 3:28 Believers should not take kafirs as friends in preference to other believers. Those who do this will have none of Allah's protection and will only have themselves as guards. Allah warns you to fear Him for all will return to Him.

A kafir is ignorant- 6:111 Even if We had sent down the angels to them [kafirs], the dead had spoken to them, and We had gathered all things before their eyes, they would not believe unless Allah had willed it, but most of them are ignorant.

Evil- 23:97 And say: Oh my Lord! I seek refuge with You from the suggestions of the evil ones [kafirs]. And I seek refuge with you, my Lord, from their presence.

Disgraced- 37:18 Tell them, "Yes! And you [kafirs] will be disgraced."

A partner of Satan- 25:55 And still they worship others besides Allah who can neither help nor hurt them. The kafir is Satan's ally against Allah. Unclean- 9:28 Oh, believers, only the kafirs are unclean.

Cursed- 33:60 They [kafirs] will be cursed, and wherever they are found, they will be seized and mur-dered. It was Allah's same practice with those who came before them, and you will find no change in Allah's ways.

Stolen from- Bukhari 5,59,537 On the day of Khaybar, Allah's Apostle divided the spoils of war of Khaybar with the ratio of two shares for the horse and one share for the foot soldier.

Raped- Ishaq 759 [Mohammed's official biography]: On the occasion of Khaybar, Mohammed put forth new orders about forcing sex with captive women. If the woman was pregnant she was not to be used for sex until after the birth of the child. Nor were any women to be used for sex who were unclean with regard to Muslim laws about menstruation.

 I'll take being called a "nigger" over that any day.


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Once again the Americans on the forum forget about Indo when posting about Muslims.







 I'm sure those girls did something to deserve it, though. Like learning to read, or saying "no", or, I don't know, existing.

This one was obviously just a promiscuous whore who was asking for it:




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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #27 on: November 20, 2009, 03:11:21 PM
I bet if Timothy McVeigh was a latino there would have practically been mexican internment camps in the Southwest, but instead he was a white christian fundamentalist.  Why don't we perceive white christian people to be more likely to blow things up?

Nobody cares that Timothy McVeigh was a white christian because what he did wasn't done in the name of religion you goofball.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #28 on: November 20, 2009, 03:13:21 PM
I think the numbers for muslims in Iraq are inflated, the entire population of Iraq at the start of the invasion was only 25,000,000
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #29 on: November 20, 2009, 04:05:06 PM
EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor. --Moses in retribution against unbelievers among his own people.

NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses, take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun ...."
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #30 on: November 20, 2009, 04:11:00 PM
EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor. --Moses in retribution against unbelievers among his own people.

NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses, take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun ...."

"Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." (I Samuel 15:2-3)


"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God..." (Deuteronomy 13: 5)

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)

"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)

"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #31 on: November 20, 2009, 04:35:08 PM
So this thread is now about what a dick God is in general?



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #32 on: November 20, 2009, 04:42:53 PM
God is nice. I like God. God is my friend.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #33 on: November 20, 2009, 04:50:08 PM
If god were alive to read tha, im sure it would be pleased.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #34 on: November 20, 2009, 04:58:07 PM
I don't think God would like being called an 'It'.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #35 on: November 20, 2009, 04:59:59 PM
Our God is a vengeful God he reigns from heaven above with merciless vengeance and decimation, our God is a vengeful God.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #36 on: November 20, 2009, 05:01:47 PM
I don't think God would like being called an 'It'.

You believe god has a gender?
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #37 on: November 20, 2009, 05:04:09 PM
No, but 'It' can sound rude.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #38 on: November 20, 2009, 05:07:46 PM
Is god that petty? Isn't god supposed to be omnipotent?
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #39 on: November 20, 2009, 05:14:19 PM
"It" is a gender neutral pronoun.  Surely God can look it up at m-w.com and find out that we're just selecting the appropriate pronoun for a genderless deity!



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #40 on: November 20, 2009, 05:17:56 PM
What people don't understand is that the God of the Old Testament is not the same as the God of the New Testament. The God of the New Testament is a God of love and peace and understanding... whereas the God of the Old Testament was a prick.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #41 on: November 20, 2009, 05:23:05 PM
EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor. --Moses in retribution against unbelievers among his own people.

NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses, take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun ...."

 In 25:4, who were these "people" and what were their "heads"?

 Either you don't know or you are deliberately leaving it unsaid to make an unpleasant passage appear genocidal.


 In Exodus 32:27 you have what amounts to a purge of those who took up the worship of golden idols while the Jews were still lost in the desert, and moses orders those who have not lost faith to eliminate them before they get everyone killed.

 It's bloody and nasty, seriously, Tru, I think you know how disengenuous it is to compare the situational acts of mayhem from the Old Testamen to Islam's calls to permanently sustained genocide. Plus, you know, stuff like how any women captured are divided amongst the jihadis for use as sex slaves, with the blessing of Allah, and all that.

 You came to the party but you brought no sauce, old man.

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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #42 on: November 20, 2009, 05:26:44 PM
Not that there aren't any practicing (and utterly clueless) Muslims who are genuinely good people
It's funny that the Muslims you'd call utterly clueless are the only ones that don't fit your preconceptions of violence. Have you considered that maybe the preconceptions are faulty?
Would you say the Christians who ignore the dietary restrictions portion of their Bible are utterly clueless? Would you say that Christians that believe the story of Adam and Eve is a figurative legend and not a literal description are utterly clueless? The fact that the Quran has instructions to harm nonbelievers within its voluminous suras doesn't mean that non-violent Muslims are utterly clueless.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #43 on: November 20, 2009, 05:35:38 PM
 I say clueless because they are the Muslims who are clueless as to the faith they lay claim to. They are the ones who have never read anything more than a few passaged of the Koran and in some cases don't even read or speak any Arabic. They are in short Muslims in name only.

 My preconceptions are not preconceptions. A preconception is formed PREVIOUS to attaining actual knowledge of a subject.

 Your preconceptions of myself, for example.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #44 on: November 20, 2009, 05:39:16 PM
Is god that petty? Isn't god supposed to be omnipotent?

Petty? If I said I don't like your shirt and you were slightly offended by it because you spent hours trying to decide which to wear, it wouldn't make you petty.
Petty would be if you chucked a drink over me and told me you hated me.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #45 on: November 20, 2009, 05:45:54 PM
I say clueless because they are the Muslims who are clueless as to the faith they lay claim to. They are the ones who have never read anything more than a few passaged of the Koran and in some cases don't even read or speak any Arabic. They are in short Muslims in name only.

You could probably make a pretty good argument that most people who identify with any particular religion are clueless.  Most Christian churches, for example, teach a very limited portion of Christian theology in their Sunday schools & Sunday sermons.




Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #46 on: November 20, 2009, 05:54:19 PM
It's all bullshit.

Petty? If I said I don't like your shirt and you were slightly offended by it because you spent hours trying to decide which to wear, it wouldn't make you petty.
Petty would be if you chucked a drink over me and told me you hated me.

If I were to walk up to Brad Pitt and call him ugly, I somehow doubt his ego would take much of a hit. If I were to see Manny Pacquiao on the street and call him a pussy, I don't think he'd be terribly intimidated. If someone who likes to put a couple bucks now and then on their favourite teams to win were to tell me that I don't know shit about gambling, I'd be vaguely amused. Is god really insecure in its omnipotence?
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #47 on: November 20, 2009, 05:58:10 PM
I just see it as respect.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #48 on: November 20, 2009, 06:00:22 PM
Sock it to me!
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #49 on: November 20, 2009, 06:04:24 PM
I say clueless because they are the Muslims who are clueless as to the faith they lay claim to. They are the ones who have never read anything more than a few passaged of the Koran and in some cases don't even read or speak any Arabic. They are in short Muslims in name only.

 My preconceptions are not preconceptions. A preconception is formed PREVIOUS to attaining actual knowledge of a subject.

 Your preconceptions of myself, for example.

You've identified as "utterly clueless" the class of "practicing Muslims who are genuinely good people." The preconception is not that the Muslims you've met are utterly clueless, but rather than "Muslims who are genuinely good people" are clueless. Your suggestion is that the only thing holding the "genuinely good" Muslims back from terrible violence is their utter cluelessness about what is written in their holy book. In other words if I read you right, your belief is that in order to be a good Muslim you have to follow every passage of the Quran to the letter.

If this is the case then you should now understand why I ended my last post with a series of examples where practicing Christians who are genuinely good people are not considered "utterly clueless" despite their failure to follow their holy book to the letter.

As far as my own preconceptions of you, perhaps it would clear matters up if you were to explain what exactly your credentials are.
How do you know so much about what Islam *really* is that you can argue with those fake Muslims who think their religion doesn't emphasize violence as the only means to an end?
What sort of actual knowledge about Islam do you possess that allows you to conceive the issue from such a position of clarity?
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #50 on: November 20, 2009, 06:05:00 PM
God can suck my left testie.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #51 on: November 20, 2009, 06:28:58 PM
He can do a lot of things, he's omnipotent, remember?



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #52 on: November 20, 2009, 07:17:24 PM
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Tru, I think you know how disengenuous it is to compare the situational acts of mayhem from the Old Testamen to Islam's calls to permanently sustained genocide.

I don't think it disingenuous Balor. I was simply posting passages that mimic those posted for Islam. Christians want to distance themselves from the old testament where as the Koran simply holds more true to the actual foundations of christianity while the sheep like christian hypocrites of today prefer to simply provide lip service to their god. Which would no doubt piss their god the fuck off if he existed.

Whatever is said in the Koran is simply in service to the very same god the jews and christian profess to believe in. As much as modern religion wants they simply can't have it both ways. Either their god is in fact a mass murdering maniac enlisting people like Mohammad to do their dirty work which would actually be fine if it were true and provable, or he doesn't exist at all and all three of the main religions currently jostling each other for position have absolutely no valid foundations.

I subscribe to the latter. In fact I believe that the old testament and the story of the jews is wholly fabricated, modern christianity (and all of it's current branches) is certainly beyond any doubt a complete fabrication concocted by politicians.

Reality; A shared narrative we all agree to believe.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #53 on: November 20, 2009, 07:28:46 PM
I subscribe to the view that the historical elements of these books are all (or mostly all) true. I think Moses probably did lead a contingent away from the Pharaoh, I think the Midianites really were slaughtered, and I think Jesus was a real person. I don't believe God caused the Ten Plagues, however. I don't believe God commanded the slaughter of the Midianites, and I don't believe Joshua bar Joseph was the son of a supernatural deity.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #54 on: November 21, 2009, 11:44:42 AM
Yeah some of the historical figures certainly existed, but I don't believe there were ever any Hebrew slaves in Egypt or a very small number at best.
ALL of the supernatural shit was added and compilation of the book itself was a product of con men in my opinion.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #55 on: November 21, 2009, 12:00:46 PM
That said, I don't care what a bunch of weirdos want to fill their spiritual void with. As long as your religion doesn't interfere with my life (even if by literal interpretation it would command you to) then I'm fine with you believing whatever you want. It doesn't cause me any loss of sleep if you think I'm going to hell or if you think I should be dead for my non-belief. Provided you don't actually "send me to hell" or "kill me" or otherwise interfere with my freedom then shine on you crazy diamond. I reserve the right to think less of you for it of course.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #56 on: November 21, 2009, 03:10:17 PM
What bugs me is comments like 'anyone who follows a religion is a fool...brainwashed...blah blah blah'
I don't judge atheists but plenty of them judge me.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #57 on: November 21, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
Say I was an atheist in England, and I wanted to promote my "cause", say by advertising on the side of a bus, what do you think the authorities would do? Allow it?

Nope.

Go look it up, because it actually happened. I think plenty of religious people judge atheists in the same way. Maybe not yourself, but many do.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #58 on: November 21, 2009, 03:34:42 PM
Simply having a religion is pretty low on the list of things I look down on people for. I think it's a crutch people rely on, but the same goes for people that use sticky-notes or highlight textbooks. I admire people who do not require that crutch in their life, but I don't necessarily despise those who need it. I begin the despise religious folks when their religion gets in the way of the rest of their lives or especially in the way of my life. If you have a religion and keep to your own beliefs in a personal sort of way then I don't think you're any worse than I am with my sickening morning coffee requirements.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #59 on: November 21, 2009, 03:51:46 PM
Say I was an atheist in England, and I wanted to promote my "cause", say by advertising on the side of a bus, what do you think the authorities would do? Allow it?

Nope.

Go look it up, because it actually happened. I think plenty of religious people judge atheists in the same way. Maybe not yourself, but many do.

Promote your cause? I heard about adverts saying something 'Sit back, relax because there's probably no God anyway'. Cant remember exactly. Anyway, they couldnt say there definitely isnt a God, they had to say probably, but they werent doing it to promote atheism; they were doing it as a comeback to some christian adverts saying something like you're going to hell for not believing! etc.


Honestly I don't think it's okay either way round, but I know when it happens to me no one gives a fuck, because I'm the theist and thus I am wrong.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #60 on: November 21, 2009, 04:13:02 PM
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #61 on: November 21, 2009, 05:05:11 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist_Bus_Campaign

I love it!

I personally don't like it and I'm surprised you do.

I think it is an affront to define yourself by what you don't do and don't believe in.  Same reason all those years ago we talked about how dumb sXe kids were.

I don't partake in any religion but I would see no reason to advertise that fact.  I'm not religious, why would I advocate for non-religiousness?

I wouldn't consider myself atheist because I wouldn't rule out maybe someday attending a church just to work and help community charities and I've worked at two churches for pay as an administrator and graphic designer.  I personally don't believe in God but I can recognize the strong and positive impact that belief in God has in a lot of people's lives, young and old, it just doesn't do anything for me.  To publicly make a huge deal about atheism is to spit in the face of all of those people who enjoy religion without any tangible benefit to yourself.  Are you going to CONVERT them to Atheism?  That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.  Who the fuck would waste their time evangelizing about non-participation?
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #62 on: November 21, 2009, 05:24:47 PM
If you don't believe in a god then you are definitionally an atheist.

You don't have to be a believer to participate in religious activities. I come from a strong religious background and I still attend all of the religious events that my family wants me to, but I'm certainly an atheist. I don't mind the religious activities. They're relatively tame rituals that serve to make me feel like I'm a person with a family history. Still, I think it's not a bad thing to be open about the fact that you don't believe the theology behind it. It saves you from embarrassingly personal discussions with true believers who try to develop themselves spiritually with your assistance (e.g. I don't discuss scripture in a group setting or attend the bible classes that family members have recommended I take because they really really turn me off intellectually.) An explanation that you're simply atheistic is at least honest, right?

Further, there are times when in-your-face atheism is extremely good and proper. Those times are during events like the Kansas evolution hearings. When religious zealots attempt to force their views into the field of science then they are acting in a manner that is contrary to all the values of examination, experimentation, introspection, review, and ultimately thought itself that have allowed us as a civilization (if not as a species) to progress as far as we have progressed. Religion is not interested in questioning the established facts. To the religious person the facts are laid out infallibly in a god-inspired tome of ultimate wisdom. This kind of approach is harmful to society when it is taught in classes as a valid alternative to thinking for oneself. In this situation it is very good to be a pushy atheist.

If it's just a matter of arguing between friends and neighbors then of course you are right that it is best to keep your atheism as much to yourself as your friends and neighbors are keeping their religions.

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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #63 on: November 21, 2009, 05:27:56 PM
I'm agnostic.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #64 on: November 21, 2009, 07:03:36 PM
To publicly make a huge deal about atheism is to spit in the face of all of those people who enjoy religion without any tangible benefit to yourself.

But that's the thing, what I love is how non-huge-of-a-deal the buses are. Here's what they say:




OK, so the first part says, "there's probably no god". (And I also love that they managed to avoid the capitalization issue!)

I don't see how that's terribly offensive. The word "probably" is well, probably there mainly so that they don't break any laws about false or unprovable advertising, but I really like the way it's phrased. It sums up exactly how I feel as an atheist - the existence of a god is very unlikely considering all the evidence we currently have, but who can say for sure? I'll never understand atheists who claim to KNOW that there is no god. To me that's as stupid as blindly believing in a god just because a bunch of other people do. In any case, if people of faith are as secure in their convictions as they claim to be, then how are they being hurt by the mere suggestion that they're wrong? I thought faith was supposed to set people at ease. If they're bothered by an ad on a bus, doesn't that really say more about how insecure they truly are?

Second part says, "now stop worrying and enjoy your life". This I'm not as keen on, simply because I feel it could be softened a little by using "so" instead of "now" and by using an exclamation mark at the end.

"so stop worrying and enjoy your life!"

...sounds friendlier and like less of an order to me than "now stop worrying and enjoy your life." Starting an imperative sentence with the word "now" implies that not only is this an order, but this is an order that needs to be followed immediately.

All that said, requesting that people stop worrying and enjoy their lives hardly seems very offensive.

Are you going to CONVERT them to Atheism?  That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.  Who the fuck would waste their time evangelizing about non-participation?

You're missing a major point here, man: compassion.

Why do churches have signs with various messages for all to read? Why do churches and church-goers actively try to recruit others to join them? It's because they honestly believe that they can help these poor non-believers. I'm not talking about how the Catholic church owns half the planet, or anything like that. Sure, at that level it's all corrupt as fuck. I mean regular people, the kind of people we all know, the kind of people we're all related to. The vast majority of religious people are good folks who happen to believe in something I don't. And the same vast majority probably feels bad for me since I'm on my way to hell or whatever. The compassion they feel towards us non-believers can end up being super annoying, but that doesn't mean that their hearts aren't in the right place.

You know how there are many cases of people not being particularly religious, then suddenly discovering the faith that fits them, that makes it all work for them? Well think of just how many people are trapped the other way around. I know a fuckload of people who were brought up religious, went to church all their life, never questioned any of it, and were miserable. Then they discovered that they weren't alone, that it's OK to not believe, that there are others who think the same way and don't feel any shame about not believing. And the one word that I've heard from people like this over and over is "liberating". It's kinda like coming out of the closet, although I'm not sure that being an atheist isn't less socially acceptable than being gay.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #65 on: November 21, 2009, 07:20:51 PM
I could start flyering for deism!  http://www.deism.com/deistleafletsmain.htm
I'll make my own ad campaign:

God exists. 
God just isn't here.
So stop praying and start doing.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #66 on: November 21, 2009, 07:27:22 PM
Most people I know who go to chruch are worse than stage/sport/modeling parents. The intra social politics is amazing.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #67 on: November 21, 2009, 07:46:25 PM
I could start flyering for deism!  http://www.deism.com/deistleafletsmain.htm
I'll make my own ad campaign:

God exists. 
God just isn't here.
So stop praying and continue slaughtering in his name.




Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #68 on: November 21, 2009, 07:56:33 PM
I think it is an affront to define yourself by what you don't do and don't believe in.  Same reason all those years ago we talked about how dumb sXe kids were.

So how can you define yourself if you dont by what you do or dont believe in? Actions? Arent actions driven by personal beliefs? Job? How many of us have had different jobs in our time? Other character traits? Shit, I'd love to define myself as a Paladin in the AD&D sense, but I dont see that flying.

I'm not a believer in the paranormal or supernatural or metaphysical or whatever. I do believe myself to be an honest person. I have a number of other things I either believe or disbelieve that go towards the definition of the person I am.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #69 on: November 21, 2009, 08:03:19 PM
Well said.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #70 on: November 21, 2009, 09:24:48 PM
All of this is what I enjoy about being a heathen.

Pagans don't recruit. And if we do recruit you it's not for spiritual reasons. We recruit you because you have good taste in booze or your wife has a nice ass or really big tits. Or all three. Usually all three.

Pagans don't judge you on the depth of your faith. We don't judge you at all. Show up when you can and speak your mind.

We don't have rules or commandments to follow. Our basic rule is "Do your best to be nice and get a long with everyone else. And don't leave a mess in the kitchen for someone else to clean up". No guilt because there no sin. No atonement. No fire and brimstone and bullshit.

We don't collectively worship a specific deity other than the one we live upon so don't pollute the Goddess and for piss sakes recycle. Yes, there are other deities and you're free to worship them on your own time.

We sing. A lot. But never about the deities. Usually about killing people, burning villages, sacking Rome, drinking a lot and how our women are more badass than most men.

We stand around a file once a month and brag about our individual exploits and how thankful we are for the season, the harvest, our children, our ancestors and each other.

And we don't sit around and talk shit about other religions because they are allowed their freedom to worship. Though we do occasionally tell off color jokes about Christ...
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #71 on: November 21, 2009, 09:29:43 PM
So Pagans are basically Klingons. I like it.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #72 on: November 21, 2009, 10:38:23 PM
Sexually, that would make Zoomie the bitch.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #73 on: November 22, 2009, 01:26:21 AM
Reality; A shared narrative we all agree to believe.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #74 on: November 22, 2009, 01:34:45 AM
I could start flyering for deism!  http://www.deism.com/deistleafletsmain.htm
I'll make my own ad campaign:

God exists.  
God just isn't here.
So stop praying and continue slaughtering in his name to try to get his attention.


Also, pagan events are way more fun than anything at church. 

Well, except for hot girls in youth group.

Though I'd imagine pagan women are a lot more fun.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #75 on: November 22, 2009, 02:41:57 AM
Tru, that was brilliant. I'd read it before, ages ago, but am now reminded of how amazing a thinker Douglas Adams was. Or at least how amazingly close his ideas are to mine.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #76 on: November 22, 2009, 02:48:42 AM
As far as Paganism goes, I think you're getting the same out of it in a ritual sort of way, Zoom, as I am getting out of the humdrum traditions I go through with my family. The point isn't really about the theology at all, but it's about being with good friends and family and gaining a sense of unity. The only difference is you're more than likely fringed by dirty hippies when you're doing your rituals and I'm more than likely fringed by self-righteous wankers when I'm doing mine. It's the way God intended it, I'm sure.

Also, Douglas Adams is great. That was a sweet video Tru. Is that from Last Chance to See? Or is this uncollected material? I still haven't read The Meaning of Liff or its sequel. You've kicked off a good idea for a self-Xmas-present. Incidentally, like Si says, I find myself totally agreeing with him.

Back-patting self-congratulations reduced in size to minimize disgust:

Highlights from the Douglas Adams interview just posted:
2:22-2:44 - the word "belief" leads to trouble. I strongly agree.
3:06 and on - The burden of proof favors the simpler explanation. I strongly agree.
9:40 and on - Religion is fascinating. I strongly agree ...
and
0:57-1:16 - Agnosticism is a muddled copout that more suggests an unwillingness or incapacity to think about the issue than it does a measured engagement with matters. I've raised this (highly) controversial point several times before. Not on this version of the board, and maybe not even on the prior L-G. I'm pretty sure it did come up numerous times at my old home on the old J-S board, though. Anyway I've backed off the point since it meets with near universal disapproval, but I'm glad Adams raises it here.

Anyway my point is: See? My words may be rougher, but my ideas aren't all that ridiculous. Or at least they're only as ridiculous as those of a world-class science fiction author.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #77 on: November 22, 2009, 02:57:31 AM
Is that from Last Chance to See?

It's not, it was an interview with an entity called "American Atheist". Maybe a magazine or something? No idea, but I'm glad to find out I'm not the only one who read that!

Agnosticism is a muddled copout that more suggests an unwillingness or incapacity to think about the issue than it does a measured engagement with matters.

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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #78 on: November 22, 2009, 08:13:39 AM
In support of Krsna's war against Islam, I give you the 'Vande Mataram' fatwa, wherein Muslim clerics in India have deemed the national song (sort of the "God Bless America" of the nation) to be anti-Islamic because it opens with a line about bowing to the motherland (and, in Islam, men should worship no one but Allah himself).

However, counter to the concept that all Muslims are sheep to a violent and non-tolerant religious leadership, you'll find plenty of news articles in the link above where Indian and Other Muslims are saying that the fatwa is unnecessary.

So, aside from genocide and other truly horrific crimes, how do you feel about a religious organization that asks their followers to not sing specific songs?

Here's some other fatwas out there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatwas
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3906
http://thejakartaglobe.com/opinion/while-youre-at-it-more-fatwas-please/306198
Like yours.  Only different.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #79 on: November 22, 2009, 09:28:59 AM
Bowing seems to be a hot topic these days. Dick Cheney released a statement a few days ago lambasting Obama for bowing to the Emperor of Japan on his visit there. The idea is that Americans don't bow except to America and our fallen soldiers. This condemnation has interestingly received support on both sides of the political line.
I guess I feel about the same about the Indian fatwa against singing a song endorsing them bowing to the wrong thing as I do about the political noise regarding Americans bowing to the wrong thing. They're both totally silly.

Speaking of silliness and in support of Krsna's crusade, I present the Hamas-funded children's puppet show, Tomorrow's Pioneers. They're actually teaching the most bigoted intolerant crap imaginable to audiences of happy young children. And we wonder why the Middle East is so fucked up... I find this show crosses so far over the line, though, that it enters into the realm of the hilariously ridiculous. Anyway:

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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #80 on: November 22, 2009, 09:32:04 AM
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Or at least they're only as ridiculous as those of a world-class science fiction author.


Adams was not a science fiction author. He was not a science anything author.

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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #81 on: November 22, 2009, 09:40:38 AM
Well I know things are different in Australia. What's the PAL-B/G term for our NTSC "science fiction comedy"?



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #82 on: November 22, 2009, 09:53:47 AM
No ...  See my post above.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #83 on: November 22, 2009, 10:11:44 AM
In support of Krsna's war against Islam, I give you the 'Vande Mataram' fatwa, wherein Muslim clerics in India have deemed the national song (sort of the "God Bless America" of the nation) to be anti-Islamic because it opens with a line about bowing to the motherland (and, in Islam, men should worship no one but Allah himself).

However, counter to the concept that all Muslims are sheep to a violent and non-tolerant religious leadership, you'll find plenty of news articles in the link above where Indian and Other Muslims are saying that the fatwa is unnecessary.

I can remember India's national anthem but if I had to do a solo I'd fail. If there were other people singing I'd be fine.
I've never even listened to Englands national anthem all the way through.

Anyway, Indians can be so patriotic. Bharat mata ki Jai!



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #84 on: November 22, 2009, 10:17:46 AM
So what part of India is your family from, Sakhi? Northern India I'm assuming. Is your family Brahmin? Any Kashmiri connections?



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #85 on: November 22, 2009, 11:34:18 AM
Yeah, northern. My mother's punjabi and my dad has relatives all over the place.
Brahmin, yes.
Kashmiri, not that I know of.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #86 on: November 22, 2009, 11:47:08 AM
Do you speak Punjabi?



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #87 on: November 22, 2009, 12:40:41 PM
No, I should learn it really, seeing as my grandmother doesnt speak hindi.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #88 on: November 23, 2009, 03:28:01 AM
Bowing seems to be a hot topic these days. Dick Cheney released a statement a few days ago lambasting Obama for bowing to the Emperor of Japan on his visit there. The idea is that Americans don't bow except to America and our fallen soldiers. This condemnation has interestingly received support on both sides of the political line.

Respect is respect. I was bowed to a lot in Japan, and accordingly, I bowed often when I was there. That doesnt show submission to some other nation, but it does show respect. Seems to me that some of these politicians of yours could do with a lesson or two in respect. Cheney especially.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #89 on: November 23, 2009, 08:25:53 AM
Man, that rabbit video is disgusting.

How sick does a culture have to be to do something like that?
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #90 on: November 23, 2009, 11:45:46 PM
Bowing seems to be a hot topic these days. Dick Cheney released a statement a few days ago lambasting Obama for bowing to the Emperor of Japan on his visit there. The idea is that Americans don't bow except to America and our fallen soldiers. This condemnation has interestingly received support on both sides of the political line.

Respect is respect. I was bowed to a lot in Japan, and accordingly, I bowed often when I was there. That doesnt show submission to some other nation, but it does show respect. Seems to me that some of these politicians of yours could do with a lesson or two in respect. Cheney especially.

Agree with Mosh. If conservative politicians from anywhere do not wish to show respect to foreign royalty, they should stay at home.

Anyway, this trip was to honor China with a visit. The whole of the Japan trip is merely a courtesy visit to make sure Japan is happy to continue holding American debt.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #91 on: November 24, 2009, 12:19:18 AM
Yeah it's weird. I saw Chris Matthews of all people backing Cheney on this.
I think it's a kind of crypto-machismo.

The other thing that's big these days in Cheney-land is his use of the term "dithering" to describe Obama's relative inaction of late. This has gotten to be so popular, Carrie Prejean was slinging it around like it weren't no thang. Did anyone else catch her amazing interview with Larry King, buy the way? Hilarious.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #92 on: November 24, 2009, 12:31:59 AM
He's not dithering, he's being blocked on any issue that would make a difference and pull the USA out of it's current economic spiral.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #93 on: November 24, 2009, 01:15:03 AM
The other side wants to save the day.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #94 on: November 24, 2009, 05:46:43 AM
they had 8 years
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #95 on: November 24, 2009, 07:00:51 AM
And they did such a wonderful job...
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #96 on: November 24, 2009, 05:22:55 PM
Obama is being blocked fairly easily in no small part to being an idiot.

You don't offer people compromise positions as a place to beginning negotiations.  He spent his entire campaign and into his presidency backpedaling.  On multiple fronts, he has cornered himself into positions where he has no room to negotiate. 

He also had the brilliant idea to hand the keys to the economy to the same people who fucked it up and as such, did little more than continue to give their friends handouts instead of reviving the economy.  Where was he backing a strong plan for reform, for busting up "too-big-to-fail" instead of propping them up until they could hand out huge bonuses again, etc.?  Oh, he wasn't there.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #97 on: November 25, 2009, 01:44:13 AM
He did turn out to be the "puppet" alternative didn't he.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #98 on: November 25, 2009, 01:54:06 AM
Our expectations of him were pretty artificial to begin with. I think he's really crippled by his fear of screwing up royally.

If he just went balls to the wall and did things like shutting down Guantanamo and killing Don't Ask Don't Tell with authority then we'd have a more obvious sense of "change" and I don't think you'd see the Right frothing at the mouth that much more than they already are.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #99 on: November 25, 2009, 01:59:04 AM
Absolutely. And that's the saddest part about it.
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #100 on: November 25, 2009, 02:04:05 AM
but who's going to be next ?
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #101 on: November 25, 2009, 03:16:17 AM
Depends on whether or not he starts manning up.

Otherwise: Palin-Beck 2012.



Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #102 on: November 25, 2009, 07:04:14 PM
I had really low expectations and he hasn't even met those.

Here's grumpy old Paul Krugman talking about the economy:
http://fora.tv/2009/11/09/Paul_Krugman_The_Return_of_Depression_Economics#Paul_Krugmans_Grim_Economic_Outlook

Also, this:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/11/21-2

In particular:
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And, as much as it pains me ever to find myself agreeing with a regressoid, Edward Whelan, president of the right-wing Ethics and Public Policy Center, was right when, expressing his surprise that the Obama administration has made so few nominations to fill open positions in the federal judiciary, he noted:  "On judges as on so much else, this administration seems to be much less competent than both its supporters and critics expected".
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Re: My Bad, Islam IS a Religion of Peace Reply #103 on: November 25, 2009, 10:20:39 PM
I think his heart is in the right place, but there comes a time when the country needs more than just that.