Young people have no concept of discipline and punishment. When you've been beaten unconscious with the buckle of a 2 inch leather belt, held by your ankles screaming and then dropped from a 2d floor balcony, forced to hold encyclopedias at arms length until you pass out, or roundhouse kicked in the chin splitting it open requiring 7 stitches, all before age 12, you can whine to me about punishment hedging on abuse.
And that was my brother. You don't want to know about my mom...