i think magners is the same in the states as it is in europe, same with strongbow. some of the american ones, like cider jack or woodchuck are too sweet. woodpecker is good, especially on tap, i think that's english though. cider is definitely better on tap cos even the sweet ones come out a little more dry. no one i know likes it sweeter, i don't get why strongbow isn't more popular in the states.