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General Category => Entertainment => Topic started by: mosh on March 06, 2009, 08:02:32 PM
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El Topo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtGUx4kXIEY) I still have no clue what this movie was about.
Salo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o2ul-UwOvU) Another bizarre fuckup.
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Holy shit, someone knows who Jodorowski is??? I have a box set of his movies.
The Holy Mountain is my favorite movie ever, followed by A Clockwork Orange.
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Ravenous.
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Ravenous.
Fucking right, I JUST downloaded that movie cuz I hadn't seen it in forever, I still haven't watched it. I think it is by far one of the most underrated movie because it's almost always completely overlooked.
And for the record, the best movies ever made are a tie between A Clockwork Orange and Aliens (not Alien).
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The soundtrack to Ravenous alone makes it worth watching.
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The soundtrack to Ravenous alone makes it worth watching.
I know, I was looking for it on torrents a few days ago and couldn't find it. I had it at one point years ago.
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You know that was Damon Albarn, right?
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Ravenous was good butg not amazing to me. Inside however is a great horror movie!
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You know that was Damon Albarn, right?
Yeah, Gorrilaz, Blur....I was surprised to see that he worked on the album.
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Well I looked at a list I had of favorite movies, here are some of the top ones:
A Clockwork Orange
Aliens
Sin City
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
eXistenZ
Gummo
Fight Club
American Psycho
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F&LiLV but no 12 Monkeys or The Fisher King?
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F&LiLV but no 12 Monkeys or The Fisher King?
And definitely no Brazil. I felt like smashing the screen after watching that movie.
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And for the record, the best movies ever made are a tie between A Clockwork Orange and Aliens (not Alien).
Dude, Alien blows loads all over Aliens.
Aliens has no imagination. It's "lets scare the kids by putting 100000000 aliens in the movie", totally over done.
Alien is subtle and terrifying.
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And for the record, the best movies ever made are a tie between A Clockwork Orange and Aliens (not Alien).
Dude, Alien blows loads all over Aliens.
Aliens has no imagination. It's "lets scare the kids by putting 100000000 aliens in the movie", totally over done.
Alien is subtle and terrifying.
A agree that Alien is a spectacular movie but I think Aliens is better because it is just as scary, has better characters, way better SFX which were some of the best of the good old days before CGI ruined the illusion of being IN the movie, more memorable scenes and quotes, and some of the best execution of action and suspense thanks to James Cameron. And I think Ridley Scott had a fluke with Alien (and maybe Blade Runner). Yeah, Aliens is fucking better. One of the few sequels that can do that.
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The only sequels that were better (in my very humble opinion) have been Mad Max II & The Empire Strikes Back.
But if you think Aliens > Alien, then fair enough.
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eXistenZ! I actually saw that in this local indie theater here. Crazy fucking cool.
Children of Men.
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The only sequels that were better (in my very humble opinion) have been Mad Max II & The Empire Strikes Back.
Add Spiderman 2 and X-Men 2 to that list.
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eXistenZ! I actually saw that in this local indie theater here. Crazy fucking cool.
Children of Men.
Existenz is spectacular and another overlooked and underrated movie. It supposedly got shit because the assholes who marketed it compared it to The Matrix which is absolutely retarded as they are nothing alike. I don't know what kinda drugs they were on but according to that logic you could compare those two movies to The Neverending Story because they all take place in a fantasy world. Not to mention Existenz is far superior to The Matrix. IMO Cronenberg is a genius and can do no wrong.....well, except for that borefest Eastern Promises. He pushed the envelope from Shivers to A History Of Violence and then that came out of left field. I'll just try to forget that Cronenberg made it, like I forgot about wtf Eastern Promises was about.
And FUCK Children Of Men. WTF. The reason why I hated it so much was because of how awesome it was, building this tension and waiting for the pay off....THEN THE FUCKING CREDITS ROLL. I saw it with my ex and we were both like, WTF was that and were pretty fucking pissed. Actually we had the same reaction to Broken Flowers. I think she yelled at the screen on that one, hah.
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The second star wars movie was, and still is, the best
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Have any of you seen The Holy Mountain?
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Have any of you seen The Holy Mountain?
I have. That reminds me, say hi to your mom for me.
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I don't get it.
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A History of Violence was great.
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There Will Be Blood
I won't ever have to think of Daniel Day Lewis as armless or gay ever again.
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I am shocked that I am the first to give it up for the Big Lebowski.
I'd also mentioned Repo Man and They Live as under-appreciated.
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This thread confuses me. Especially since half the movies listed so far weren't made in the 20th century.
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I am shocked that I am the first to give it up for the Big Lebowski.
I'd also mentioned Repo Man and They Live as under-appreciated.
Big Lebowski was one of the best comedies ever made. I was very impressed with Burn After Reading also. The same convoluted type of story and almost as good as Big Lebowski. There Will Be Blood was fantastic. The whole thing about which was better movie of the year, that or No Country For Old Men was interesting because I think TWBB was much better than NCFOM. I was very let down by it. Don't get me wrong, it was great, but there was so much hype and the movie just didn't live up to something like Fargo.
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Oh, I'm gonna say great movies of the 20th and 21st century. I'm going to try and list some overlooked movie than some obvious ones, like every tarantino movie for example, do I even have to mention those?
Metal: A Headbanger's Journey
Dawn Of The Dead
Martin
Donnie Darko
Full Metal Jacket
In Bruges
Frailty
Ghost Dog - The Way of the Samurai
In the Mouth of Madness
Vanilla Sky (This seems to be a love or hate, and yeah I know it's a remake and I don't care to see the original because I enjoyed this one so much)
Being John Malkovich
Adaptation (The whole concept of the movie was fucking brilliant, and it seems a lot of people didn't understand it)
Office Space
Superbad (I would have to vote this as the funniest movie I've ever seen, I was fucking dying through the whole thing)
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Let the Right One In was outstanding.
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Let the Right One In was outstanding.
That'd be me.
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Danzig did you see Synechdoche, NY? If not, you should, it's excellent.
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No actually i had never even heard of it.
Oh and Catherine Keener, 49 and I would still pound the fuck out of her if given the chance.
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Me too! She's super hot.
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This topic is insanely broad. It's like the "Good songs from 1900-2000" thread. I mean how can anyone start anywhere? We have no focus here at all.
Oh well. Here are ten random films from 1900-2000 I liked:
1)The Graduate
2)Dog Day Afternoon (calling for Scarface endlessly gets a bit old)
3)Rashomon
4)Offelas
5)Otesanek
6)Babette's Feast
7)Mon Oncle
8)Watership Down (or Plague Dogs for that matter)
9)The Navigator: A Medieval Odyssey
10)Ernest Scared Stupid
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Wow, I'm going to disregard that post.
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Oh except this part
This topic is insanely broad. It's like the "Good songs from 1900-2000" thread.
There is a big difference. What music is good is mostly opinon. What movie is good is mostly fact. Most people here can agree on what the best fuckin movies ever are unless they have shit taste in movies.
Example, who here thought Fight Club was less than awesome? truthfully
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This topic is insanely broad. It's like the "Best songs from 1900-2000" thread.
Fixed!
Ah facts. How could anyone disagree that Donnie Darko is one of the best films of the 20th Century?
Yeah I'll leave you to your facts.
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From IMDB: Top 250: #127 - Donnie Darko
Apparently everyone, fuckface.
And on a side note, where do you see a site where you vote for the best album ever, of any genre? You don't. Because that would be fucking futile cuz it's all opinion. ON IMDB the movies on the top are mostly just DAMN GOOD MOVIES.
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How could anyone disagree that Donnie Darko is one of the best films of the 20th Century?
Apparently everyone, fuckface.
Of course it's well known that only card-carrying filmologists can rank movies on IMDB, but still I find myself questioning the facts with even the most scrupulous of film researchers: Siskel and Ebert (and Roper or whatever). Didn't they give Speed 2 the double thumbs up?
Anyway none of this goes to the heart of the issue. Spanning a full century of film is ridiculous. How can you compare a film like Metropolis with something like The Matrix? It's patently silly. A decade-by-decade breakdown might be possible but really what are we doing here? We're discussing the best movies we saw in the theater. As Libertine pointed out half of the films we're discussing came out in the last 10 years. I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Watchmen yet.
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Pretty much because of culture change, I personally find most movies older than 1970 to be completely uninteresting.
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Oh and yes I would say most all of the best movie are modern movies. But to each their own.
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What movie is good is mostly fact. Most people here can agree on what the best fuckin movies ever are unless they have shit taste in movies.
Pretty much because of culture change, I personally find most movies older than 1970 to be completely uninteresting.
IMDB disagrees. All of the films I listed were actually from the 20th century and 4 of them fell in your precious IMDB top 250. One of them (the one from 1950) even managed to beat Donnie Darko!
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So? Point?
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Wow, I'm going to disregard that post.
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I nominate Idiocracy and Office Space.
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I already nominated Office Space :P But Idiocracy was hilarious.
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How about a Jean-Pierre double feature.
The city of lost children (1995)
Delicatessen (1991)
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I was going to chose one of those, but it's hard to say which is better. Also isn't the destin fabuleux a 2000 film? doesn't it qualify by a hair?
I think ths thread needs some Almodovar as well...
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I saw 2/3rds of Delicatessen. Wish I had finished it.
Amelie is another good movie.
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This topic is insanely broad. It's like the "Best songs from 1900-2000" thread.
Fixed!
Ah facts. How could anyone disagree that Donnie Darko is one of the best films of the 20th Century?
Yeah I'll leave you to your facts.
Well, how about the fact that pretty much all of the information you need to even begin to understand what's going on in the movie isn't even in it! Take the time vortex at the end of the movie that sucks the jet engine back to the beginning... Donnie created it. Can't tell that from watching the movie, it just looks like he's sitting there watching it.
How did he create it? The same way he embedded the axe in the solid bronze statue. He has super powers. You see, when Frank woke him out of bed and he didn't get smashed by the jet engine the universe splits off into the universe you see during most of the movie, and is going to collide with the real universe and when that happens they'll both be destroyed. So Donnie is granted super powers that he must use to undo the split so that the collision doesn't happen.
The movie's a lot neater now, isn't it?
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There is a big difference. What music is good is mostly opinon. What movie is good is mostly fact. Most people here can agree on what the best fuckin movies ever are unless they have shit taste in movies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
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There is a big difference. What music is good is mostly opinon. What movie is good is mostly fact. Most people here can agree on what the best fuckin movies ever are unless they have shit taste in movies.
Hi, welcome to the Nazi Party.
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Look, to tell the truth I didn't mind Donnie Darko. My point was mainly that there is very mixed reaction to it and there's certainly no factual basis behind which movies are considered great. It's all masturbation. Just like discussions of best song or best sculpture or anything like that. But now that we're speaking about Donnie Darko, I understood the whole thing from beginning to end, it wasn't a mystery to me, there was nothing profound about it, and it didn't blow my mind. It was hamdrum and kind of campy but for all that it had its moments. I'd give it a 6/10 maybe. I don't see what the fascination is. For the longest time I thought it was just furry fans and pseudo goths who were super into the film. I'm still not sure but that this segment of society does in fact compose the ranks of its most ardent fans.
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Ahh. See, I thought you were saying DD was great, and I was arguing that it wasn't great because of most of what you need in order to really understand it isn't even in the film. There's no way you could understand what was going on (unless you just happened to guess it) without getting outside info from the creator of it. Then there's this whole God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit thing going on that's hinted at in different ways but not explicitly stated.
I like it for it's bizarreness in the missing information aspect, and I like it as a movie, but I certainly wouldn't rate it as one of the greatest movies ever. I think I'd give it a 6 or a 7.
When are we going to discuss the greatest movies of the 19th century?
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I watched DD, it was OK but I didn't get enough of what was going on to really appreciate it.
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Man, what's worse than people thinking DD was profound were all the cheese heads that got their minds totally blown by the Matrix. AAAGH!
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I really like the movie, Primer.
But it's from 2004.
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start your own 21st century thread, future boy.
EDIT: Yeah primer was good, though. Didn't you post about it on the old boards? I think that's why I saw it in the first place.
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Did anybody mention Blazing Saddles yet?
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start your own 21st century threat, future boy.
EDIT: Yeah primer was good, though. Didn't you post about it on the old boards? I think that's why I saw it in the first place.
Man, if only I had a box, we could go check.
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Well, how about the fact that pretty much all of the information you need to even begin to understand what's going on in the movie isn't even in it! Take the time vortex at the end of the movie that sucks the jet engine back to the beginning... Donnie created it. Can't tell that from watching the movie, it just looks like he's sitting there watching it.
How did he create it? The same way he embedded the axe in the solid bronze statue. He has super powers. You see, when Frank woke him out of bed and he didn't get smashed by the jet engine the universe splits off into the universe you see during most of the movie, and is going to collide with the real universe and when that happens they'll both be destroyed. So Donnie is granted super powers that he must use to undo the split so that the collision doesn't happen.
The movie's a lot neater now, isn't it?
I actually own Donnie Darko, have seen it probably 8 times (if I had to estimate), and I can only barely conceptualize what you are talking about. In fact I don't think that I understand it at all. Yet I still enjoy this movie. I think the overwhelming conclusion I am coming to is that I'm an idiot.
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My favorite movies of the 20th century:
- Pulp Fiction (and favorite all-time movie as well), I've seen it probably 30-40 times.
- Goodfellas (I like this better than Godfather, always have always will I think)
- Fight Club (I watched this again recently and found it less impressive than I did when I was a teenager, not sure how I will feel about it when I'm older)
- Big Lebowski/Fargo (Big Lebowski is better but Fargo is unforgettable)
- Go (this is like Pulp Fiction light, but I've always really loved this movie)
- Trainspotting (fantastic and disturbing)
- Bladerunner (I've only seen this twice but found it profoundly interesting and better than most science fiction)
- Amores Perros (favorite Spanish film)
- Matrix (too obvious)
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Libertine, you're not an idiot. It's not explained in the movie.
I spent a whole day learning all this stuff from the Internet by accident, that's the only reason I know it.
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I actually own Donnie Darko...
Ah! I own these movies from the 20th century (disclaimer - these may not be the best of the 20th Century):
Princess Bride
Trainspotting
The Fifth Element
American Beauty
Fight Club
A Bronx Tale
Scarface
The Goonies
Labyrinth
Once Were Warriors
Whale Rider
Godspell
Rules of Attraction
Dark City
Snatch
El Dia De La Bestia
Tron
Pi
Boondock Saints
These are some movies from the 30s/40s that I like:
Tom Brown's School Days
A Letter of Introduction
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I think C should participate in this thread and tell us about her favorites movies!
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I think C should participate more in general. I've asked her like four times if she went to law school in Jersey. Deafening silence.
Libertine: did you ever see The Acid House? If you liked Trainspotting, it's worth a check-out.
Eitje: Same goes for you if you liked Trainspotting. Good call with Dark City, by the way. Similar to City of Lost Children to a degree. Does it not disturb you that there are bizarre parallels between Dark City and Requiem for a Dream? And on an even further Aronofsky note, have you seen the Fountain? I quite enjoyed it on an aesthetic level if nothing else.
Finally, speaking of aesthetic films, it doesn't get much more beautiful that Zhang Yimou (especialy the non-20th C "Hero"), but I also really like the washed out look in some of Gus van Sant's early films and especially Schroeder's "More." Damn what a beautiful film. I'm not talking about content here, just visual appeal.
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City of Lost Children
Agreed!
Also, I'm adding "My Fair Lady".
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I put you onto the Whale Rider, right? Nice buying
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I put you onto the Whale Rider, right? Nice buying
That is correct!!
I left it in the list, even though it's from 2002. :P
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I left it in the list, even though it's from 2002. :P
Oh well. We've been cheating for a while now...
Sin City
This is on page 1. I also shouldn't have mentioned The Fountain either technically. Like I said earlier this thread has no focus. It's just a bunch of good movies.
EDIT: Shout out for Michel Gondry while I'm at it.
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From childhood.
Goonies <-- already mentioned.
Stand by me <-- this one usualy gets atleast one person heaping shit on it
Neverending Story
Taps
Better off dead
fyi born '76
nobody has mentioned any anime.
akira ?
and now look at the thread.
madmax ( the road warrior ) is one of ...wait for it...
the usual suspects.
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Two days later and we finally start naming some 20th century films!
Danzig you are obviously deranged if you believe that there is no argument to be had over what the 'best' film is, and subscribing to the IMDB consensus is kind of sad.
Have you really looked at this thing? (http://www.imdb.com/chart/top) Do you agree that the Shawshank Redemption is the best movie ever made? Movies like Fight Club or the Lord of the Rings are in the top 25 of all time? I'd argue that modern movies are over-represented in this list and probably the only film since 1991 that should be in that top 25 is Pulp Fiction (and that more as a symbolic nod to the general shift in modern filmmaking that it represents than as a accolade for that particular film itself).
And anyways, arguing about the kinds of movies that you find on those lists is boring. If you really want to show off you have to name movies that nobody else has seen!
Like this one. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060955/)
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fuck it then.
Metropolis gets my real vote 'cause it opened up trhe world of sci-fi to me in dec '83, which lead to books in jan '84.
it gets a ranking of 79 on IMDb.
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Normally I wouldn't ask, but you brought up Akira, so are we talking Fritz Lang or Osamu Tezuka? Both are actually excellent.
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The only other list with any real weight is the AFI 100 list, which was published once in 1998 and once in 2007.
Both lists are here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFI%27s_100_Years..._100_Movies_(10th_Anniversary_Edition)
So you can either agree with the "critics views" (AFI list) or the "popular internet views" (IMDB list).
Most people probably find some combination of the two or (whatever most closely resembles their own views) to be the more appropriate list.
AFI thinks Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever, IMDB thinks Shawshank Redemption is the greatest movie ever, I think both of those movies are FOR SHIT and would rather not watch movies the rest of my life than be subjected to either of those again.
I agree with some of what Danzig was saying, that movies really do lose cultural relevance very quickly, probably more quickly than any other art form. Very few stand the test of time well, especially any that rely heavily on any kind of special effects or cultural settings that are no longer applicable, but the ones that do are particularly enjoyable.
The IMDB list is more modern-biased because most people don't watch 70 year old movies. The AFI list is more classic-biased because it assumes that what is considered "good" does not change over time. I don't think either are entirely accurate.
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Yeah but one is certainly more appropriate than the other for a thread called "greatest movies of the 20th Century"
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Normally I wouldn't ask, but you brought up Akira, so are we talking Fritz Lang or Osamu Tezuka? Both are actually excellent.
I see your point. I was typing about Lang. I can't remember Tezuka's, I'm not sure I have seen it.
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AFI thinks Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever, IMDB thinks Shawshank Redemption is the greatest movie ever, I think both of those movies are FOR SHIT and would rather not watch movies the rest of my life than be subjected to either of those again.
I liked both of those movies. Citizen Kane I've watched about 5-6 times. Shawshank I wouldn't bother with again, but it's still a good movie.
I liked Roman Holiday a lot
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I don't really agree that films lose their cultural relevancy faster than other forms of media.
Cap what do you mean by cultural settings that are no longer applicable? Period films? They still crank those out.
Are you more talking about the prevailing cultural mood at the time the film was made? Like for instance in plenty of older SciFi films there is a strong influence of the Cold War; are you saying that now that the Cold War has passed the relevance of films produced during that period is diminished? You could make a case for that, I guess, but then how would that process be any different for books or music than it is for film, as has been suggested in this thread?
I don't disagree that fewer and fewer people will watch films made before 1970 as time goes on, but I think that has more to do with a lack of familiarity with the current audience. Frankly I also think that the access to these films is nowhere near as easy as it should be, the studios should be opening their vaults online to get people to watch older films - I bet they could make a tidy profit with that.
If someone is going to argue that newer films are better because they have better special effects, I don't know what to say.
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Like for instance in plenty of older SciFi films there is a strong influence of the Cold War; are you saying that now that the Cold War has passed the relevance of films produced during that period is diminished? You could make a case for that, I guess, but then how would that process be any different for books or music than it is for film, as has been suggested in this thread?
I don't disagree that fewer and fewer people will watch films made before 1970 as time goes on, but I think that has more to do with a lack of familiarity with the current audience. Frankly I also think that the access to these films is nowhere near as easy as it should be, the studios should be opening their vaults online to get people to watch older films - I bet they could make a tidy profit with that.
It's different from books and music, because in books and music the reader or listener is invited to imagine the settings visually as they see fit. Problems of errata, cultural confusion, settings, don't exist so long as the person consuming the art is creative enough to fill in their own blanks. With film, the entirety of text, sound, and picture are there for you and you can interpret them but you cannot bend them to your own imagination in any way. They are inflexible in that way, so as certain things (like the Cold War) become less culturally relevant, as they no doubt will be as time passes, fewer and fewer people will be able to connect with the narrative in a meaningful way.
Your other point is probably more to the case and a better general argument, is that lack of access to older film is a more serious constraint on the audience.
I think both of these things present solid reason why, for example on the IMDB list that is entirely composed of modern people's opinions, the list is overwhelming biased towards films made in the last 20 years. Because both the cultural relevance of many films made prior to the last 20 years is lost on the majority of the film watching audience and because even if these people want to see older films they are constrained by availability.
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I wonder when debbie does dallas will make an appearance.
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Last 10 years people have had the net and they were probably 20-30 when they started so put in films from the 10 years before that. I wouldn't read much into that.
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Well, how about the fact that pretty much all of the information you need to even begin to understand what's going on in the movie isn't even in it! Take the time vortex at the end of the movie that sucks the jet engine back to the beginning... Donnie created it. Can't tell that from watching the movie, it just looks like he's sitting there watching it.
How did he create it? The same way he embedded the axe in the solid bronze statue. He has super powers. You see, when Frank woke him out of bed and he didn't get smashed by the jet engine the universe splits off into the universe you see during most of the movie, and is going to collide with the real universe and when that happens they'll both be destroyed. So Donnie is granted super powers that he must use to undo the split so that the collision doesn't happen.
The movie's a lot neater now, isn't it?
I actually own Donnie Darko, have seen it probably 8 times (if I had to estimate), and I can only barely conceptualize what you are talking about. In fact I don't think that I understand it at all. Yet I still enjoy this movie. I think the overwhelming conclusion I am coming to is that I'm an idiot.
You don't have to understand a movie to like it. Mulholland Drive made no sense and I think it was of the most horrible pretentious abominations on celluloid, along with Magnolia.
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If you really want to show off you have to name movies that nobody else has seen!
Like this one. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060955/)
I did: Martin. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077914/ Spectacular movie. When did I say that everyone agrees on what the best movie is? Most, not all, agree on what some of the best, not the best, movies are. And some people disagree. So no, I don't think Shawshank Redemption is the best, or one of the best, although it was a very awesome movie I would rate highly. And like I asked, just goddamn ONE of you tell me fight club wasn't a completely awesome movie. And if you say otherwise than you are a liar or part of the AFI who masturbates all over the talkies because it's most likely run by 80 years olds. 12 Angry Men was one of the few older movies that really kept me interested and I don't think the relevance of it will ever go away.
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What is the method of polling for these two mentioned lists ?
I admit I havent done any looking... I'm guessing IMDb is online and AFI is either a mix or offline ?
IMDB: Anyone with an internet connection and an IMDB account (free) is allowed to vote any movie on a scale of 1 to 10. People tend to go and rate movies they love highly and then vote more when they see more movies, the second part has created the modern bias of the IMDB list. The list is thus a composite aggregate of everyone who voted on a movie and each movie's position on the list is just how its average fared, not comparative relatively. People didn't vote Shawshank Redemption the #1 movie of all time, Shawshank Redemption just had the best aggregate of votes compared to all other movies which people have rated.
AFI: Only members of the AFI have any say in the matter, the public has none, and their list has to be agreed upon in some way in which each movie on the list is relative to the movies around it, where the #1 movie is better than #2 is better than #3 etc. The AFI DID decide that Citizen Kane was the #1 movie of all time, and that #2 was #2 etc.
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What is the method of polling for these two mentioned lists ?
I admit I havent done any looking... I'm guessing IMDb is online and AFI is either a mix or offline ?
IMDB: Anyone with an internet connection and an IMDB account (free) is allowed to vote any movie on a scale of 1 to 10. People tend to go and rate movies they love highly and then vote more when they see more movies, the second part has created the modern bias of the IMDB list. The list is thus a composite aggregate of everyone who voted on a movie and each movie's position on the list is just how its average fared, not comparative relatively. People didn't vote Shawshank Redemption the #1 movie of all time, Shawshank Redemption just had the best aggregate of votes compared to all other movies which people have rated.
AFI: Only members of the AFI have any say in the matter, the public has none, and their list has to be agreed upon in some way in which each movie on the list is relative to the movies around it, where the #1 movie is better than #2 is better than #3 etc. The AFI DID decide that Citizen Kane was the #1 movie of all time, and that #2 was #2 etc.
Personally I think that the best way to get a good idea of if a movie is truly good isn't just IMDB, but to weigh the rating of that, the general public, to the rating at Rotten Tomatoes where film critics give reviews. There are movies I've loved that imdb hates and vice versa, or movies I've loved that Rotten Tomatoes has hated and vice versa. But the chances of a movie that is highly rated on both to not be a really good movie is slim.
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The Maltese Falcon.
Bogart was da man!
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If you really want to show off you have to name movies that nobody else has seen!
Like this one. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060955/)
I did: Martin. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077914/
I would have bet money you were talking about this one (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103488). Good thing I'm not a gambler.
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No, we are talking about movies. But Martin was a legendary, groundbreaking tv show.
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I would have to say that gay cinema is over represented in the AFI list. In both lists 40% of the top ten are gay favorites: Singin' in the Rain, Gone with the Wind, Lawrence of Arabia, and The Wizard of Oz. I don't feel like calculating the percentages for the rest of the list but you can see that nearly every classic musical is on that list, and a couple of movies that could only be on that list because of their treatment of gay subject matter (Philadelphia and Midnight Cowboy for example).
Man, now I know why I hated my TiVo so much when my girlfriend set it up to record the AFI season pass. It's not that I hate the gays so much, but I really hate musicals, old ass romance movies, and Hitchcock.
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along with Magnolia.
Haha I forgot about this. I should have used that as my gag #10 rather than the Ernest film. Who was it you were arguing with about this film, Dylan? Was it Fuse?
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Let the Right One In was outstanding.
I want badly to see this!
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I am shocked that I am the first to give it up for the Big Lebowski.
I'd also mentioned Repo Man and They Live as under-appreciated.
hahaha, they live. is that the one with rowdy roddy? looking like eddie fucking money? great movie.
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torch song trilogy is an excellent film, speaking of gay films. that are actually about gay culture, that is.
silence of the lambs, the terminator, monty python and the holy grail, a fish called wanda, freaks,
12 angry men... ahh, there are many movies i adore.
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along with Magnolia.
Haha I forgot about this. I should have used that as my gag #10 rather than the Ernest film. Who was it you were arguing with about this film, Dylan? Was it Fuse?
Holy crap, I just remembered that. Yeah I'm pretty sure it was Fuse. Didn't I quote him and make a macro with his picture, it was something about Magnolia or some other gay movie, it said something to the effect if "It was warm and heartfelt". I don't remember, all I remember is it was funny.
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It's different from books and music, because in books and music the reader or listener is invited to imagine the settings visually as they see fit.
Ok, then what about other visual arts like photography or painting? Obviously there are works of visual art that have not rapidly lost their cultural relevance over time, including films.
I'm not arguing that there aren't shit films that have 0 shelf-life and were a waste of everybody's time, money and sweat. Probably most movies can be classified in that category. But if we're talking about the Great Films of the Twentieth Century, I suspect we'd be ignoring those shitty ones anyways. If 'classic' films like Casablanca or It's a Wonderful Life are so out of touch with our contemporary culture, why are they still shown on TV today? Why does Family Guy make reference to scenes in old movies that most of their audience has never seen? Because they still laugh - they haven't watched Citizen Kane, but they know that Rosebud is his sled. Many of these movies are equally embedded in our culture at this point, while the rest of them will wash off in periodic cleansings.
Speaking of cleansing art, has anybody seen Equilibrium (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/)? I guess this is cheating because it was made in 2002, but it has got to be one of the most hilariously bad movies I have seen in a good long while.
Yeah Sarah, They Live stars Rowdy Roddy Piper and is fantabulous. Did you know that the Cripple Fight in South Park was based on the ridiculous fight that Piper and his costar over the glasses?
Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWk6RgQbPVc
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Oh shit, I just reaslized this is from the "20th Century". In that case I retract like every movie i said except Holy Mountain and A Clockwork Orange.
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Anyone listed Human Traffic?
NICE ONE BRUVVA!
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Since we're all cheating now, anyone see Bagdad Cafe? Maybe not one of the best films of all time, but I thought it was pretty swell.
Other great ones were:
Cidade de Deus
and
Hable Con Ella.
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ok i've skipped eveyrone's favorite movies cos tricky just linked me to the message where she asked me to post mine.
yes, i did go to law school in NJ, btw. sorry i don't catch a lot of posts on here.
keep in mind i don't have cable (or broadcast) and have zero attention span so i prefer to watch episodes of the golden girls, twilight zone, and the simpsons on dvd repeatedly in short 20 minute bursts.
in no particular order: atonement, field of dreams, twister and wind that shakes the barley.
atonement was an incredible book and movie. like many things, i've been become obsessed and have actually spent a lot of time this evening thinking about it for some random reasons. thanks to tricky i saw it in the first place.
field of dreams: also an incredible book. again, i'm obsessive, so chitownoi and i actually went to the baseball field where it was filmed so i could have a catch.
twister: i love the midwest and bill paxton and tornadoes scare me.
wind that shakes the barely: obvoiusly i'm interested in ireland and the partition of it, so this movie fits. i cried twice during, and about 10 minutes after it was over i burst out crying again and had to just walk around outside for awhile to calm down. there's not a wasted moment in this movie but i have to admit, i've only seen it once given my strong emotional reaction to it.
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yes, i did go to law school in NJ, btw. sorry i don't catch a lot of posts on here.
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Thanks for indulging me, C. In fairness I did double the number of times I'd asked just to heighten the drama. The real figure was twice before. So you didn't happen to go to Camden, then, did you?
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yay for C telling us her fave movies!
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Guitar Wolf: Wild Zero.
If anyone can tell me what this movie was about, I'd really appreciate the explanation.
Coz I havent got the foggiest what the fuck this movie was about. But you know what, I keep watching it whenever SBS play it.
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Mosh, Human Traffic was good. So was Go, and Groove. Any of those rave-related movies have a special place in the holes of my synapses.
I loved Hackers too. Angelina Jolie as a mod chick, flashin' them titties!
Big Fish. Cabin Fever. Million Dollar Baby.
So fucking many.
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May
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Mosh, Human Traffic was good.
Dunno about the rest of those movies, I just like John Simm. 24 Hour Party People is awesome, even if Steve Coogan was the lead.
Then there's Life On Mars, blah blah blah...
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I liked Cabin Fever, May, and 24 Hour Party People a lot.
Even though they aren't 20th century movies.
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I watched Street Fighter the other day, it was strange watching Lana Lang being passed off as an oriental ninja chick.
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Go was fucking awesome. And Hackers was great for many reasons, not least of which being that watching it now so much of it is unintentionally hilarious.
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even if Steve Coogan was the lead.
Thou must get thyself to a rental store (or torrents) and watch Hamlet 2.
El Topo is still one of my favorites. Watch it with your favorite plant.
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I fucking loved the Steve Coogan/Alfred Molina segment of Coffee & Cigarettes.
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Agreed.
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"Would it be shabby of me to give you my number now?"
"...yeah."
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I just youtubed that scene, as well as this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6EZkIaJcCI&feature=related
God, Jarmusch has moments of brilliance, eh? Both Down by Law and Night on Earth are very much worthy of inclusion to this thread.
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The segments of C&C either left me indifferent or I thought they were great. I don't see what people hate about the film. The Molina-Coogan scene was probably my favorite, but as far as other segments not yet named, I thought the Cate Blanchett and the Taylor Mead scenes were pretty good too. Heck I think I liked some segments just for who was in them. The Tom Waits-Iggy Pop scene, for instance, was pretty good and I rather liked the Alex Descas-Isaach de Bankole scene too.
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I'll reiterate: one of my favorite movies is "A Bronx Tale".
Sonny: Alright, listen to me. You pull up right where she lives, right? Before you get outta the car, you lock both doors. Then, get outta the car, you walk over to her. You bring her over to the car. Dig out the key, put it in the lock and open the door for her. Then you let her get in. Then you close the door. Then you walk around the back of the car and look through the rear window. If she doesn't reach over and lift up that button so that you can get in: dump her.
'C': Just like that?
Sonny: Listen to me, kid. If she doesn't reach over and lift up that button so that you can get in, that means she's a selfish broad and all you're seeing is the tip of the iceberg. You dump her and you dump her fast.
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I fucking loved the Steve Coogan/Alfred Molina segment of Coffee & Cigarettes.
I dont hate Steve Coogan... he was just annoying in 24 Hour Party People.
I hope Tony Wilson really wasnt like that.
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what was that move where Renee Russo flashed her tits for like half a second? She had great tits man
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You talking about that movie with her and Pierce Brosnan? I could look up the name but I'm too bored to google.
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(http://www.iespana.es/cvc/graficos/rene12.jpg)
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Let the Right One In was outstanding.
I want badly to see this!
i am going to go watch this right now.
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Not the 20th century, but I just got The Dark Knight on Blu-ray and man is that fucking awesome!
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Dark Knight has one of the two best US senators as an actor in it.
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Predator was the best governor action pic made.
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Hell's yeah!
My dad met Gov Ventura when he was still Gov Ventura. In his office no less. People he visits in Minnesota on a yearly basis are somehow entrenched in local Government there.
He got a signed copy of Aint Got Time To Bleed.
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"I ain't got time to bleed" is one of the single best lines ever in a movie.
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I regularly use that very line in my work.
Boss: Ian, can you do <insert crappy low level piece of shitwork here>
Mosh: I aint got time to bleed!
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I regularly use that very line in my work.
Boss: Ian, can you do <insert crappy low level piece of shitwork here>
Mosh: I aint got time to bleed!
It's awesome even when it makes no sense in the context you use!
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Exactly.