...is the angry, white, conservative faces in the chamber that don't applaud.

Suck it up, whitey.

And of course the GOP chooses Charles Boustany of LA to do the rebuttal, a known birther, who opened his rebuttal with a lie and closed it with a lie.

Oh well, no health care this year.

Americans have access to the best healthcare in the world, what are you talking about?

Oops, my bad.

Americans have access to the best healthcare in the world, what are you talking about?

Yes, and as Tom mentioned the other day, Saturn makes cars that Americans want to buy!

Obama?
Obama??
Obama???

Do y'all NEVER get your heads out of your asses, enough to read contemporary fiction?

Ever heard of Tom Clancy?  And there are others.

* stares at keyboard

All I'm going to say is this:

I pay an extra cent and a half on top of my tax payment each fortnight. That cent and a half from me and every other taxpayer goes into a Federal Government coffer that guarantees me and every other Australian (tax payer or not) basic health cover. It doesn't cover everything, but I can afford private health insurance to cover the rest.

If I need to see a doctor, or go to hospital in a hurry, all I have to do is flash my Medicare card, and its all taken care of. I need a prescription, I will never pay more than $23 for it (assuming the medicine is on the PBS list). My private health insurance costs me $70 a month. It covers everything that Medicare doesn't.

Pensioners and low wage earners get higher Medicare benefits, even though they are rarely in a position to contribute through taxes.

And you know what, I'm fine with all of that. It's hardly socialist and it isn't perfect, but it is socially responsible in my opinion. And no one is offing Grandma.

Ever heard of Tom Clancy?  And there are others.

Fyre? I've met Tom Clancy. Tom Clancy lives just down the road from me in Huntingtown. Tom Clancy is the most arrogant asshole I've ever met. He was called in for "acccidentally" publishing classified materials and while I applaud him telling the Director to go fuck himself, there was no reason to treat those of us on the support staff like his slaves. I wouldn't read his shite if you overpaid me in Filipina hookers.

but they'll toss your salad!

tom clancy sure writes like he's an arrogant asshole.

Clancy was just an example of an author that could think up a viable way to topple a government.

To think that the "enemy" hasn't been giving all of this serious consideration is still refusing to see that "If it can be dreamed up"?

Someone can (and probably will) try to DO it.

Actually he wrote about some classified systems that aren't supposed to exist and got his wrist slapped for it.

But it was pre-9/11 by almost 10 years so nothing happened.

I liked Tom Clancy a lot when I was 13-15 or so.  I recently gave away all of his books that my parents gave me because I would never read any of them ever again.

Eric van Lustbader, then,

PERV

Chicka bow wow...

SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS.
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments
for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
not lawfully present in the United States.

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments
for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are
not lawfully present in the United States.

   1. Though illegal aliens will be prohibited from receiving Federal premium subsidies, they are not prohibited from participating in the plan.

   2. Every benefit dollar received by the participant in excess of premium paid represents a deficit against the plan

   3. The plan is funded by tax dollars and benefits are paid by the Fed.

 Dear Leader lied to you.

No dumbass, you're just being disingenuous. The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, and they could also buy into a new government-run insurance plan if Congress creates one. But unlike legal residents, they wouldn't get federal subsidies to help them.

Anything else you're pulling out of the right side of your ass.

No dumbass,

Do as i Say, NOT as i Do?  ...

i'm sorry, Zoom, but Wowzer is right.  LOOK at the evidence.  Time WILL tell, and by the time it all comes out?  It'll be too late for any of y'all to back-track, or "Do-Over,"

and in the meantime, we're ALL going to get fucked.

What about the arguments ... somewhere ... i think i might need to get back to you on this, because i'm getting REALLY floaty.  i need to post in dreams about what floaty is, i think.  But all anyway, i can't think too hard, right now.  My bad.  <sigh>

Zoomie, you ignorant slut, shouting "NO IT'S NOT!!!" isn't going to change a damned thing.

And furthermore, if the current bill were to pass private insurance would pretty much be history, as it effectively paralyzes existing private insurance policies as well as forbidding insurers from refusing clients with pre-existing conditions, setting them up to be run into the ground. What was that Alinsky said about destroying your opponent first by fixing them in place?

 this isn't about providing healthcare to Americans, and it never was. It is about luring the howling mob into handing over control of a part of their lives which can thereafter be used to purchase or extort votes from them to perpetuate the left's insatiable hunger for power. They don't write 1000 pages of legalese for the good of humanity, they write 1000 pages of legalese to obscure their intentions and make everything so convoluted that they'll be able to interpret it in whichever way best suits them without accountability.

 Kind of like passing a $700,000,000,000 already containing enough kick-backs, pay-offs, and bribes that there was no need for riders, then claiming it contained no "pork".

Seriously Zoomie, let's see reason. These are the same folks who have:
1)Persisted in claiming that the president of the US was not a US citizen,
2)Persisted in claiming that the president of the US was seeking to inculcate the youth of our nation with communist, nazi, and/or satanist values,
and
3)Persisted in claiming that Senator Wilson was right in disgracing his constituency by causing a ruckus during a "let's stop ruckusing" speech.

In other words, you're dealing with zealots.
If it's one thing I've learned from my years of arguing against creationists, flat earth pushers, and the schizo-paranoid, it's that you can never win. It's better just to wave the white flag of neutrality and forget about the fact that they are the ones who for the most part are benefiting from the very programs their asshole overlords have convinced them to protest against. It's really not worth the argument. It lessens us as humans.

Yeah you're probably right.

OK, you're definitely right, he's a liar and a cheater and a Kenyan. And he wants to come into your neighborhood and kill your puppies with Soviet-era communist assault weapons because he and all his minions hate America and freedom.

(did I do that right?)

Balor - how would you fix the health-care issue?

He wouldn't. Evolution dictates that only the strong survive.

I still think this this bill is pretty shitty & favors most of the interests it should be reforming.  Most of the arguments against it, though, make me want to argue for it.

I think they should be passing a bill to force the states to get their respective shit together.  Screw this federally-run shit.

Looks like the plan to keep everyone arguing is working.

Since McCain is one of bush's close personal buddies I voted for Obama as a last ditch effort, a last hope as it were.
It has since become clear we have no hope.

But giving out trillions of dollars was not Obama's personal agenda, he didn't think it up.
All of this shit was predefined and would have happened right on cue no matter who we were allowed to elect.

In my opinion.

Seems to me our Presidents main role today is simply to act as a focus point for polarizing the public into bickering fragments.

I agree.  The financial industry was going to get the bailout no matter who was elected.  We were going to get the same sleaze bags who were already owned by Wall Street running the economic show.

Unless Bill Ayers was elected.  But I might have been the only person in the country to vote for him!

I still think this this bill is pretty shitty & favors most of the interests it should be reforming.  Most of the arguments against it, though, make me want to argue for it.

Exactly the way I feel. There is a lot of compromise built into the bill and compromise usually just ends up leaving both sides as if they've been cheated. Also, as you guys say it was inevitable.

Tru's conspiracies and Balor's embellishments aside, I find it unconscionable that we bailed out several industries that should have been allowed to fold for the good of economic evolution but people still suffer and die in the US because they have no health care options.

With luck, unemployment will skyrocket, swine flu will ravage the health insurance industry's coffers and when they come looking for a handout we can tell them to fuck right off.

Hey, a man can dream, can't he?

And furthermore, if the current bill were to pass private insurance would pretty much be history, as it effectively paralyzes existing private insurance policies as well as forbidding insurers from refusing clients with pre-existing conditions, setting them up to be run into the ground.

Did I mention in my post that the system that works in this country hasnt destroyed private health insurance funds? In fact, numbers of people with private health insurance are higher than ever. The health funds make a lot of money. And there are caveats about pre-existing conditions.

Now people are rushing to defend the safety of the insurance industry?

No. Right wing big business supporting Republican assholes have been defending Big Insurance and Big Pharmaceutical all along. Fortunately they are the minority these days.

Who's the nigger now, boys?

I just thought that it would be enlightening to point out from my own knowledge and experience what is the reality, at least in this country.

And it's been this way since the 1970's... with revisions.

Works in NZ. An extra cent in income tax means noone dies because they can't afford a doctor.

I just thought that it would be enlightening to point out from my own knowledge and experience what is the reality, at least in this country.

And it's been this way since the 1970's... with revisions.

Works in NZ. An extra cent in income tax means noone dies because they can't afford a doctor.

COMMIES!

I just thought that it would be enlightening to point out from my own knowledge and experience what is the reality, at least in this country.

And it's been this way since the 1970's... with revisions.

And you got close to it. There is alot of things private health insurance wont cover even under the 'complete hospital' plans. True alot of the stuff is superfluous to the common patient....when you you are atypical...it sucks ass.

btw $70 a month ? You under a company plan...right ?

...it sucks ass.

is that irony?

Looks like the plan to keep everyone arguing is working.

Since McCain is one of bush's close personal buddies I voted for Obama as a last ditch effort, a last hope as it were.
It has since become clear we have no hope.

But giving out trillions of dollars was not Obama's personal agenda, he didn't think it up.
All of this shit was predefined and would have happened right on cue no matter who we were allowed to elect.

In my opinion.

Seems to me our Presidents main role today is simply to act as a focus point for polarizing the public into bickering fragments.

WHOA!!!

Nice take on it, Tru!!

And that's  a Major part of why i don't like to see folks just worshiping him, and not bothering to look any further than MSM for any of the cover-ups and/or evidence of EXACTLY THIS ~ he's being used, too.  There is a trail of breadcrumbs a MILE WIDE about the things in Obama's closet ~ him AND Michelle.  They are caught in a web of their own, not "making," but avaricious scheming.  The whole thing is disgusting, imho.

OMG, TRU HAS A FRIEND.

...it sucks ass.

is that irony?

If it IS, i suppose everyone will be Sneering at me as i lie, dying ...

OMG, TRU HAS A FRIEND.

STFU

OMG, TRU HAS A FRIEND.

STFU

NO, SRSLY!

you guys should have conspiratorial babies.

It isn't a "conspiracy theory" if it's based in fact, rather than avoidance of fact.



But, yeah, i guess it would be fair to say Tru has a fan on this issue

Roswell Rods

I just thought that it would be enlightening to point out from my own knowledge and experience what is the reality, at least in this country.

And it's been this way since the 1970's... with revisions.

And you got close to it. There is alot of things private health insurance wont cover even under the 'complete hospital' plans. True alot of the stuff is superfluous to the common patient....when you you are atypical...it sucks ass.

btw $70 a month ? You under a company plan...right ?

My experience within the health system is limited. $70 a month is with Medibank Private, which is after the 30% tax rebate, medium level of cover, no spouse, no dependents. It'll go up if Rudd gets his way and means tests the rebate.

My personal opinion is that all medications should be on the PBS, in particular cancer drugs. Fucking Howard neutered that scheme.

Well, that $70 figure makes sense then.

The means test: IF the difference (what higher earning people) was added onto budget of the public system....im all for it. I can only see it being added to general revenue...so I vote no.

Howard and I didnt get along on so many levels its not funny. I do however give props to Costello for being a decent account. Didnt agree with everything he did, but still, he wasent a total dick.

We pay like $250/mo, and have $150 put onto a Flex Card per month,

which allows us to pay for office visits, meds (our copay), other medicinal needs such as First Aid products,

and all of which is deducted from our income BEFORE taxes are figured on the Gross.

We have good care, a good hometown hospital, and access to better care, should we need it.

We're pretty happy with what we've got.

Would we pay another penny to insure that ALL folks got access to healthcare?

We'd do a $1, if it TRULY helped the folks that Need it.

If it's just to line someone's pockets?  Count me out of even the penny solution.

Would we pay another penny to insure that ALL folks got access to healthcare?

We'd do a $1, if it TRULY helped the folks that Need it.

If it's just to line someone's pockets?  Count me out of even the penny solution.

I get the worry about the lining someone pockets thing, and if there was any suggestion that my cent and a half per dollar earned Medicare levy was inappropriately lining pockets, then there'd be an outcry like you wouldnt believe in this country. I actually think a cent and a half is probably too low, 2 cents would be closer to the mark I think, and I dont think anyone would complain.

The thing is that absolutely every one, from the wealthiest person to the poorest person is guaranteed medical cover because of it. I think that's where the plan in the US is flawed.

[quoter]I think that's where the plan in the US is flawed.[/quote]

Dam straight.

Nigger lied his way to the Nobel peace prize

Nigger lied his way to the Nobel peace prize

They're going to feel pretty dumb when we're bombing Iran next year.

No dumber than they should feel that we're bombing Afghanistan this afternoon...

No dumber than they should feel that we're bombing Afghanistan this afternoon...

And carrying on a slightly more covert war across the border?

They're just military advisors helping Pakistan with a little problem. Nothing to see here, pay no attention to that man behind the curain...

The only plus side to him winning the Nobel Prize is that I am am now arguing against equally insane points of view on both sides of the Obama divide (against birthers, against the nutso liberals that thing he deserves the award).

Let's remember that the nominations were secret, that Nobel is a third party issue and that NO ONE of any consequence in the US Government had any hand in the matter. Also all deliberations take place offshore.

So whether or not you or any liberal shithead believe that he deserves the award, a section of the world demographic thought he did and gave it to him. It should have zero bearing on his policies and leadership in this country. But it will have a significant effect on his (and our nation's) prestige and place in world standing.

Right or wrong, the thinkers of the world have spoken.

No, I'm kidding, he got it because he's black.

How is this such a big deal?
Are the right-wing really so bitter about this that they can't feel any joy for the honor the country is getting?
Has anyone considered this event in context?

The right-wing is blowing this completely out of proportion.
Really this whole thing is about the new tack our country is taking on the international relations front.
Obama's refreshing new approach emphasizes discussion with enemies instead of war.
Let's be honest, the policies of the past administration left a lot to be desired in this area.
Let's examine this objectively, shall we?
Is it really so impossible that the president should win the peace prize given the palpable juxtaposition of his policies compared to those of the last 8 years?
Not in my book.
God, sometimes it seems that the only thing the right-wing are good at is griping, griping, griping.

I'm far from right wing and I'm griping quite a bit about this.

I don't really see a change from Bush era policies - the tone has changed somewhat and we're more engaged with Europe, but everyone else is still fucked.  We're starting a proxy war in Pakistan, likely going to expand the war in Afghanistan, we haven't pulled out of Iraq, the Obama administration refuses to bring charges against American war criminals (everyone involved in authorizing water boarding, the activities and cover up at abu ghraib, waging a war of aggression, etc. are WAR CRIMINALS), hasn't closed gitmo or the other secret CIA prisons, continues to employ mercenaries of dubious ethical quality, has left the door ajar on torture, has made half-assed overtures to Iran (which will never be accepted because they are still under the same threatening posture and I will put money on the US or the US through our Israeli proxies attacking Iran before Obama leaves office), has agreed to continue to cover up Israel's nuclear weapons programs...I could keep going, but that's plenty to illustrate my gripes with Obama with respect to acknowledging anything to do with him being deserving of a "peace prize."

Frankly, I'm coming around to thinking that he's worse than Bush.  Bush did what he wanted with a smirk and a who cares what anyone else thinks attitude.  Obama is a smarmy piece of shit who'll get you drunk and high then try to convince you to rape a school girl with him and his buddies. 

So ok let's take this from the top:
The wars in pakistan and afghanistan are the ones we should have been fighting all along to get osama, so that's a moot point.
It's bush's fault we got into such a cluster fuck there anyway.
Let's see, um, the iraq war is coming closer than ever to a close, and that's what the nobel prize committee was probably trying to reward ultimately.
Limbaugh, hannity, beck and oreily are the only ones crying crocodile tears about the fact that gitmo can't close down.

That's such a joke coming from them, honestly.
Republicans are the ones blocking the transfer of these prisoners to the maximum security penitentiaries so how is that obama's mess?
Obama's policy regarding iraq is also clearly justified.
Look at the concessions he just got from them like a week and a half ago to allow inspectors into their facilities.
Like bush could have done that even if he'd have tried...
I can't think of a better candidate for the peace prize than someone who actually negotiates with those who threaten us in these difficult times.
No idea what you're talking about raping a school girl... zuh?
'

at my old school the forms were named after nobel prize winners.
I was in form F, Flemming.
I'd laugh if they made a form O now.

So ok let's take this from the top:
The wars in pakistan and afghanistan are the ones we should have been fighting all along to get osama, so that's a moot point.
It's bush's fault we got into such a cluster fuck there anyway.
Let's see, um, the iraq war is coming closer than ever to a close, and that's what the nobel prize committee was probably trying to reward ultimately.
Limbaugh, hannity, beck and oreily are the only ones crying crocodile tears about the fact that gitmo can't close down.

That's such a joke coming from them, honestly.
Republicans are the ones blocking the transfer of these prisoners to the maximum security penitentiaries so how is that obama's mess?
Obama's policy regarding iraq is also clearly justified.
Look at the concessions he just got from them like a week and a half ago to allow inspectors into their facilities.
Like bush could have done that even if he'd have tried...
I can't think of a better candidate for the peace prize than someone who actually negotiates with those who threaten us in these difficult times.
No idea what you're talking about raping a school girl... zuh?
'

I disagree completely.  Iraq is nowhere near over, we've built an occupier's palace and still employ mercenaries in country.  At best, we've won temporary concessions from warring parties because it's in their best interest to rebuild their strength when the US is offering weapons & financing.

We're occupying Afghanistan and propping up a corrupt government.  And talking about escalating - which does absolutely nothing to stop Al Queda.  If anyone cared about stopping Osama, they'd be chasing the money back into Saudi Arabia, not continuing a policy where we bomb civilians with drones. 

Iran really didn't make much of a concession.  Certainly not the concessions that US was demanding.  And Iran previously offered the Bush administration an even bigger concession than what was recently agreed to (which is essentially nothing, since they let the IAEA into their other facility already and likely would have with the new one too), which Bush was too stubborn to accept, so the point about Bush not being able to do it is moot.  And frankly, Iran was not a threat to the US.  Israel maybe, but Iran was not ever going to launch a nuke at the US.  And if you want to find a threat for supplying material for a dirty bomb or something, I'd look to Pakistan or North Korea before Iran.

How can you say we've built an occupier's palace?
Even if mercs are still running around in iraq and afghanistan, it's not as if we're putting al-maliki in the carriage house while we live in the main suites.
Hamid karzai is still running afghanistan.
Even mahmoud ahmadinejad who is openly against us and just came through a questionable election is still sitting pretty, which demonstrates exactly what the peace prize committee was rewarding - out new policies favor measured discussions and diplomacy rather than knee-jerk cowboyism.

edit: i had another thought about the mercs in iraq and afghanistan and the fact that we need people like this to stop the violence which exists... yeah so there may be violence still going down in the outlying areas of these countries where taliban forces can gather and force the issue with the locals, but that's an incomplete view of my argument. how's this for a hint: just look at the capitals! there's hardly any violence there. the whole point is to keep up healthy debate in these parts without getting personally invested and it looks like it's finally starting to work. how can you respond given that they're such clear signs of our apolitical intent?

How can you say we've built an occupier's palace?
Even if mercs are still running around in iraq and afghanistan, it's not as if we're putting al-maliki in the carriage house while we live in the main suites.
Hamid karzai is still running afghanistan.
Even mahmoud ahmadinejad who is openly against us and just came through a questionable election is still sitting pretty, which demonstrates exactly what the peace prize committee was rewarding - out new policies favor measured discussions and diplomacy rather than knee-jerk cowboyism.

What else would you call the compound that we're building there?  It's the size of Vatican city.

Hamid Karzai is not running Afghanistan.  Hamid Karzai is a weak figure head who was put into power because he is the only Pashtun the northern tribes who comprised the majority of our support would accept.  The current Afghan government is extremely corrupt, with even Karzai's brothers being implicated in the drug trade and other black market activities.

Ahmadinejad is still in power because the US can't do anything about it.  We're over extended militarily and doing anything in Iran would cross the Chinese & Russians even further.  We are not in a strong position and that has been the only thing that has stayed our hand, whether it was Bush in the White House or Obama now.

The war wont be won untill it is safe for McDonalds to open a drive-thru.

edit: i had another thought about the mercs in iraq and afghanistan and the fact that we need people like this to stop the violence which exists... yeah so there may be violence still going down in the outlying areas of these countries where taliban forces can gather and force the issue with the locals, but that's an incomplete view of my argument. how's this for a hint: just look at the capitals! there's hardly any violence there. the whole point is to keep up healthy debate in these parts without getting personally invested and it looks like it's finally starting to work. how can you respond given that they're such clear signs of our apolitical intent?

bah, edit conflicts...
i already considered what it might look like if you take the thing as a whole, but consider my new suggestion: look to the CAPITALS as a microcosm.

Apolitical intent?

We hand picked the leaders of both Iraq and Afghanistan.  And perhaps you've forgotten the reports of extensive fraud in elections in both countries...I mean, the US favored candidate being elected in a fraudulent election is clearly apolitical.

Fraud brought both men into power and kept them there as surely as fraud has kept Ahmadinejad in office.

That's missing the forest for the trees
Opium trade is down 22 percent in Afghanistan.
Obama is gaining the upper hand there simply by attacking issues of health and welfare - by using education instead of misinformation and propaganda.

Even sec. of def. gates agrees the war in afghanistan is starting to match the recent successes in iraq.
Vice president biden discussed essentially the same thing in july.
I know these may be a bit biased, but read obama's take on it or anderson cooper's view.
Left-wing policies may be unworkable sometimes but they seem to be doing the world considerably better than the previous right-wing ones were, am i wrong
?

I feel sorry for Obama, they should have given him more time. He's spend 90% of his effort trying to fix your economy so it kind of makes a mockery of the award

That's missing the forest for the trees
Opium trade is down 22 percent in Afghanistan.
Obama is gaining the upper hand there simply by attacking issues of health and welfare - by using education instead of misinformation and propaganda.

Even sec. of def. gates agrees the war in afghanistan is starting to match the recent successes in iraq.
Vice president biden discussed essentially the same thing in july.
I know these may be a bit biased, but read obama's take on it or anderson cooper's view.
Left-wing policies may be unworkable sometimes but they seem to be doing the world considerably better than the previous right-wing ones were, am i wrong
?

Yeah, because our longterm drug interdiction efforts have been so successful in places like Columbia.  Pointing to a minor success in interdiction efforts is a success?  Interdiction efforts will always be failures in the long term and do little more but make the drug trade more lucrative.

And trying anything at all would be successful in a place like Afghanistan, where they were setting records on Opium crops every year.

I'm not sure what major differences you think there are under Obama in the way we're fighting the wars.  He backpedaled from most of the changes he promised to make during his campaign (and even then, campaign promises were revisions of things he had said previously).  The same secretary of defense & same general are prosecuting the war and proposing nearly the exact same things.  If things are finally turning around, it's probably more fair to give GW Bush credit for it - though I believe the successes in both Iraq & Afghanistan rely on American forces being in the country & American aid, which aren't sustainable long term.  

The only difference I've noted is canceling programs for unneeded, overpriced military equipment.  While that's welcome, Obama isn't proposing big cuts into the world's most expensive military either - just cutting some of the chaff but still giving them just as much money to spend on other things.

Let me get this straight.
Are you saying that what little action we've seen thus far from obama not only pales in comparison with his promises, but is ultimately just a continuation of the last 8 years of failed policies?
So the nobel prize, the high accolades, and the suggested historicity of things generally surrounding obama's thus-far mediocre presidency are collectively becoming borderline obscene, right?
That's essentially what i believe myself.

Obviously that doesn't really jive with my last few posts in this thread.
No, i'm not backpedalling furiously, though...
Examine the hints provided in this thread and i think you'll see that i was just playing a private game and trying to stir people up.
!

sorry, this was a pretty mean game. i was hoping to attract more victims and even if not *more* than at least ones whose integrities i recognized less than emp's... sorry emp.

if i'm being too vague, i can be more explicit about the strict rules of the word-game i was playing.

Examine the hints provided in this thread and i think you'll see that i was just playing a private game and trying to stir people up.

you are such a talk tease.

Eh, I don't mind.  I've been having similar arguments with people I know and online elsewhere.  And I did edit out the death wishes, so I was far more restrained than I've been elsewhere!

I'll look for clues for the game later.

NO YOURE ALL FUCKING WRONG. NOT ENOUGH US BOMBS HAVE FALLEN ON ASIA YET. THE WORLD NEEDS THE US TO BOMB THEM TOWEL WEARING MOTHERFUCKERS EVEN FURTHER BACK INTO THE STONAGE!!!

LET THEM EAT BRONOTSAURUS BURGERS!!!

A small bite for Tom (sorry for the smiley)

Anybody else catch the acceptance speech? I know they didn't cover it on FOX so that eliminates some of you right off the bat.
Anyway say what you will, but the man is an excellent speech-giver.
I also couldn't help but laugh at the quailing looks from the Norwegian honchos on stage with him toward the beginning of the speech.

Also for the record, the game I was playing in the above October posts was related to the capital letters I was using in the text of the posts. What can I say, October was a boring month.

Anybody else catch the acceptance speech? I know they didn't cover it on FOX so that eliminates some of you right off the bat.
Anyway say what you will, but the man is an excellent speech-giver.
I also couldn't help but laugh at the quailing looks from the Norwegian honchos on stage with him toward the beginning of the speech.

Also for the record, the game I was playing in the above October posts was related to the capital letters I was using in the text of the posts. What can I say, October was a boring month.

Oh, PULEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

The fuktard is an actor/READER,

and he isn't all that great at reading.

He damn sure can't think while he's reading, you know, to sort of verify any GLARING gaffs he KEEPS MAKING

He sux dick,

and i can't believe you aren't camped on the the zebra-house lawn,

just waiting for him to slip to you.

He will, you know.


And it won't feel very good ~ sort of flaccid, and spongy, if you can imagine.

Well, let's see.

He tried, in vain, to defend the WAR effort,

while receiving his fucking PIECE Prize???

Oh, yeah.  THAT's the genius i want representing MY country.

He has no class, folks.  He couldn't "etiquette" his way out of a fucking paper bag,

WITH a 10 man working party.


Please.  Get over him.  He won't Save The Day, and he doesn't give a rat's banana about the "lower" classes,

the dwitch of which we ALL are.


If you just LURVE getting fucked,

Come On Down!!!

i'll call Sasha, ask some questions, and then i'll pimp you out for the FUCKIN' of your LIFE!

OK the question was what you thought of the acceptance speech.

Cutting out all the gibberish I'm left with
1)It was obvious that he didn't write the speech
2)He made GLARING gaffs
3)His defense of the war was inappropriate for a PIECE Prize ceremony
4)His speech lacked class and etiquette

Interesting perspective. Did anyone else see the speech? Any other reactions?

It boiled down to him being an apologist. It would have been much more appropriate if last week he had said "Fuck Afghanistan" and then went to Oslo and just said "Thank you" and went home.

Would of be way cool if he did that while wearing blackface.

Meh, he'd just announced an escalation. He couldn't very well talk about the war without being an apologist. He also couldn't very well avoid talking about the war without earning the label of hypocrite or responsibility-shifter.

HoJo, he did do it in blackface.

It boiled down to him being an apologist. It would have been much more appropriate if last week he had said "Fuck Afghanistan" and then went to Oslo and just said "Thank you" and went home.

NO SHIT!!!

but the fuktard just HAD to make an "illustrious" speech

Which he just doesn't realize that ACTUALLY EDUCATED FOLKS

WILL see the mistakes, like:

geography;

basic fuking MATH;

and SOME history...

This DUDE is a DISASTER

rofl  Well, it isn't really funny, but 'cuz it ISN't?  It soooooooooooooooooooooo IS!




i mean, admit it:

This dude sux Bush'es (Jr AND Sr's) ass

Still waiting, Zoomer ....

i'm so sorry, 'cuz even I'M sick of this shit...

i just don't seem to be able to figure out Modify vs Quote

i mean, i know the diff in the words,

Hey.  my flippin' contact called ME, this morgenstern

i was going to call him tonight for tomorrow

and i can't believe these prices...

450 usd for an elbow.

That's pretty fucking GOOD, eh?

Well, brb after i go to austin, pick up 13, kyle and baggy,

then cruise them down to CC

get them FUCKED up.

Watch your local news for updates on this developing story, kk? 

You dont need to know the diff.

Click this icon IN the post you want to change.

That's just It

i KNOW it,

but, at times?

It does NOT compute.

***

Yeah, i used to think that, too,

the fuktard just HAD to make an "illustrious" speech

Which he just doesn't realize that ACTUALLY EDUCATED FOLKS

WILL see the mistakes, like:

geography;

basic fuking MATH;

and SOME history...

I must have missed this. What were the geography and basic math mistakes?

You dont need to know the diff.

Click this icon IN the post you want to change.

I just use the modify button next to quote.




Also, can you not edit posts after X amount of time?
I only just realised.

Still waiting, Zoomer ....

I know but my pecker can't quite reach you from here...

Well, DANG, Zooms ~

stick that fuck stick out

and TOUCH me, babe!  rofl


i'm so full of shit!!!

Still waiting, Zoomer ....

YEs. i know it doesn't "belong" here ...

well, unless i'm to messed to realize what reality actually IS

You know what?

N/M   i'm stoned and listening to nick care, so i can't exactly have to think about this right now

(don't you ust have to hate folks that DO this stuff???)

Well, when you get to truly hatin'?

ZOOMI$, y4ah, that's i do beli3g, his name.

HE mafr mr yo iy

rofl

I know but my pecker can't quite reach you from here...

Now see, this spoils your persona. You realized that it was my way of asking WTF? and you answered properly.

You not so clazy Miss Wenjy!

Nope, i'm not!



But guess what?


Us LOW class bitches?

Have LOTs more fun!

We're the New Blondes!!!

Welcome to HELL! 

rofl

Meh, I'm going to watch some porn.

This DUDE is a DISASTER

You're the reason people don't like you.

And?

Your point IS? ...

But, of COURSE I'm the reason peeps don't like me!

I'm also the reason some folks DO like me.

So, sue me.

Oh Fyre... necroposting? tsk tsk...

Oh.

Yeah.  I NEVER seem to notice the original post dates, nor the date of the posts I'm replying to.

Now that I've prosably posted in EVERY flippin' old post I ever made,

you may believe me when I tell you, I'll be sorrier that y'all.


Tru said that, right?  And it's in the QuoteBox, regularly.  Yet, when I do a search, to make sure it was Tru that originally posted it, THIS (my) usage of his FAB word is the only Result.

Or did I misspell his misspelling?

Necro ? Okay, I want a judgement on this from admin.

Some might say 6 months, I'd say 45 days. Shit moves fast here, ya know?

I always considered necroposting is posting in a thread not on the first page...

I encourage it though.

when Luke first showed up it was all he did for a while

Yeah ok, it's Luke, you have a point there...

Where is our rotund friend anyway?

Hanging with Kyle

He called me a few minutes ago. He's good, just busy. Probably a young lady involved.

He called me a few minutes ago. He's good, just busy. Probably a young lady beer and LINUX involved.

That needn't have been said.