Loaded-Gun.Com - Anti-Social.Com's Rejects!
General Category => Entertainment => Topic started by: Profaust on March 02, 2009, 10:08:48 PM
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I just about live on Xbox live these days. Lately my obsession is Skate 2, but now an old COD4 buddy is harassing me to play COD:World at War. I don't really like WWII games, but It's not too bad. I like shooting tanks with rockets. 'S fun.
Saint's Row 2 is fun, but I haven't played it online much. Fallout 3 was liquid awesome in a bottle, and I can't wait to download all the DLC that's com/coming out in the next few months.
I bought a used copy of Bioshock to replay it while waiting for Bioshock 2 to come out. The XBL trailer is sex in HD.
Everyone's telling me to play FEAR 2 but I'm too spookedy to play that at home by myself. I couldn't even play the demo for the original FEAR.
I tried the demo for Resident Evil 5, but it looks like shit. Forced co-op never works. I don't want to have to babysit some idiot AI partner while trying to use the crappy combat controls while 100 zombies swarm me.
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CoD:World at War was one of the worst games I've bought in a long time. I immediately wished I could have taken it back after playing it for 2-3 days and haven't gone back to it since. It was such a huge disappointment. Everything about the control of it was very jerky and non-intuitive. The levels are all jumbled clusterfucks. Both teams can randomly drop bombs on the battlefield and unleash dogs to attack each other.
I used to play Battlefield: Vietnam on a team on a competitive ladder so I'm not exactly a FPS novice. But when I can't even cover my ass because there ISN'T any cover anywhere and you have to cover yourself 360 degrees from the entire team who all have instant kill rifles and on top of that bombs and dogs, it's enough to make me want to rip the hair out of my goddamn skull.
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Yeah, that's what I don't like about it. You have to have a good team covering multiple areas to defend anything, and unless you know a bunch of experienced players, that's not going to happen. And it's buggy as hell, too.
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Yeah, the thing is I can never bring myself to actually buy first person shooters for game consoles. Joysticks are just on of the worst ways to play these games. They are really only good on a computer with mouse-look and wasd-control. Otherwise it's like trying to play guitar hero using an NES controller. Yeah maybe it can be done, but that's no excuse to actually learn how to do it.
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Mario Kart Wi-Fi. Fucking awesome. I love it.
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Yeah, the thing is I can never bring myself to actually buy first person shooters for game consoles. Joysticks are just on of the worst ways to play these games. They are really only good on a computer with mouse-look and wasd-control. Otherwise it's like trying to play guitar hero using an NES controller. Yeah maybe it can be done, but that's no excuse to actually learn how to do it.
Yeah, I thought the same thing too at first, but Oblivion got me used to an FPS-style interface on the 360, and after that it wasn't such a big deal. It's just a slightly different skillset from playing on the PC, and far less cheaters/no script users, etc. The only way to really cheat on XBL is to use map glitches, and once you figure out someone's doing that you can usually toss a grenade or something near where they are and take care of them.
I still suck at FPS games either way, but I have more fun on XBL.
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I'm probably tainted by my experiences with Doom64 - the only FPS I've ever played in which the player can only strafe in one direction - right. It's like in Zoolander how Derek can only turn right. I guess the real issue with D64 was the fact that the N64 controller is the worst-designed instrument ever. I have had better experiences with the dual joysticks, but still nothing compares to the mouse on a PC. I wonder if the Mario Paint mouse could be rigged up to work with modern consoles as a means of input.
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the N64 controller is the worst-designed instrument ever
It was also seemingly indestructible.
*cue someone posting something about having had one fall apart in their hands, after doing nothing more destructive than putting the damn thing through a wall*
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Oh god the N64 controller. I remember a friedn of mine back in the day handing me one to play some game on his N64, and the first time I tried to hold it I said "how the FUCK do you use thins thing?" and he spent ten minutes showing me the different holding styles for different games. "This one's one-handed for fighting games, it's called the CROSSBOW stlye isn't that awesome?"
I tought I would hate the 360's controller, but I love it now. It looks weird, but it's designed surprisingly well regarding button-trigger accessibility and stick control. I love it using the flickit system on skate and skate 2. It's very intuitive.
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*cue someone posting something about having had one fall apart in their hands, after doing nothing more destructive than putting the damn thing through a wall*
The joystick springs were apparently only tested in or only designed for Antigua weather then, because after a couple of years of hard joystick use every single one I've owned has died on me. The D-pad still works of course, but who uses the D-pad on N64?
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I still play games on my trusty and capable Commodore Plus 4. Commodore know what a joystick should be. Easy to hold, single button, 8 way directional movement.
I'd need to evolve into Shiva to play games on current consoles, and honestly, the games just aint as good.
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Yeah for the most part. There are surprising successes though.
The biggest change I find between my days growing up with the NES and now are that games are pathetically easier now. I mean lock-on targeting, save states, games that come bundled with their own walk-throughs? It's silly. I remember I was pretty irritated by all the negative press Odama got for apparently being "too hard." Finally some rogue reviewers started to emerge and their point was "look, even as it stands now it's an easier game than Mike Tyson's Punchout."
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I gotta get me Gears of War II.
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You will be sorely disappointed. The Singleplayer story game is pretty bland except for a couple parts, and the multiplayer is broken, buggy, and generally bad. I traded it to a guy for Fable 2 and am much happier.
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I myself haven't played Gears of War (or Gears 2), but I heard in the game there's no jumping. Is that true? It seems like a real minor thing, but it would perturb me beyond all reason.
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Even worse is Quake and Heretic which allows tiny jumps. That's crazy confusing. Doom didn't allow jumps and I was fine with that. I think Duke was the first FPS that really had normal-feeling jumping. It's a critical issue in games. I read a big ludological tract at one point that had a huge section on a study they'd done for platformers. The idea was to test different jump dynamics to see what felt the most natural. Apparently by far the most natural feeling jump in any platformer (according to the study) was Mario. In retrospect it makes sense to me.
Also, the Fable games are interesting. I'm getting more and more interested in these morality games where you can chose to be evil. I think the first game I played like that was "Dragon Lore," a 1994 British game. Anybody know any earlier ones like that? I'm interested in their origins.
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Also, the Fable games are interesting. I'm getting more and more interested in these morality games where you can chose to be evil. I think the first game I played like that was "Dragon Lore," a 1994 British game. Anybody know any earlier ones like that? I'm interested in their origins.
The best game like that I ever played was the first knights of the old republic (I never played the 2nd one), but that was easily the best moral choice game I've ever played and the best Star Wars game I've ever played. I played the whole way through completely morally flexible. I went pretty good/benevolent through the first half (with the occasional random murder) then towards the end went completely off the deep end evil with no remorse or kind offering to anyone. It was really funny because you sort of build friends/party with characters based on your choices, so I'm essentially leading my original friends from my goody goody days into the portal of hell with me to eliminate an entire race of people or something. All the while they just keep commenting like "This is wrong Libertine, I don't like you anymore." Whatever you dumb blue bitch, just do the driving, I'll do the decision making.
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Yeah, other than hitting A to jump over obstacles when you're beside one, there's no jumping in either GOW game. It's meant to be a tactical "take cover and return fire from behind it" game, but the multiplayer is anything but that. The shotgun was overpowered in the first game, so their answer to it in this sequel for some unknown reason was to make it even more powerful, meaning that what determines the winner of a game is who's best at the "two piece" manuever - hitting someone with the butt of the shotgun to stun them and then blind-firing a shot into them to finish them off.
Also the game is really laggy and buggy in multiplayer, which means the host pretty much wins, hands down. You fire at the host with a shotgun or rifle for five full seconds while he's running toward you then he chainsaws you to death. People were constantly quitting matches and reconnecting to try and find a match with a decent connection, and the developers' answer to this?
In the last patch they changed it so you can't leave a match in progress. I shit you not. That was their answer.
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http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/
best game ever
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Nah man, this game is great:
(http://www.abandonwaredos.com/public/aban_img_cover/rockstar-splash.jpg)
Rockstar is unlike any other game on the PC. Your goal is, strangely enough, to become a Rockstar. Through the course of your game you will have to produce singles and records, balance a hectic recording schedule with your drug intake while touring Europe and the rest of the World. Success does not come easy. An uneasy market, balanced with your own health problems leads to a very involving game.
As your success rises, so does the demand for concerts and public performances. You a forced to decide when its time for a break and when its time to go out and make some cash.
The game has a text interface, and thats all it really needs, as graphics would just complicate the issue. If you are after a graphics version, you may wish to check out Rockstar Ate My Hamster on the Amiga.
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Anybody play ZZT or Kingdom of Loathing?
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I'm still trying to beat King's Quest ???
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all the wonderboy games are really cool. I still load up III on my emulator
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I went one further and bought original Commodore equipment...
Nothing beats Jack Attack on the Commodore Plus 4...
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I'm still trying to beat King's Quest ???
That's easy! Just avoid most of the fights, and collect gold wherever you can. You'll eventually find the map which takes you to the next island. There, you'll find a ton of elves. Take those back to the first island, and clean up. Etc etc, and then you're done.
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Gay... that was never on a Commodore plus 4
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Honestly, parser-based graphic adventures are the best form of gameplay ever. Don't get me wrong - text adventures are certainly the shit, but they're almost too expansive in detail if they are written well and if the corresponding pool of available actions isn't big enough. So they get frustrating. Games like the Unnkul series (probably my favorite text adventure series) try to fix that by making tons of actions available but the result is a worryingly unbounded feeling. Give me Hugo's House of Horrors or early Kings Quest any day.
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I made it about half way through Fallout 3 and my old PC started crashing all the time. It won't run on my laptop.
I recently finished "Condemned Criminal Origins" and "Left 4 Dead", L4D was zombie killing fun but extremely hectic combat.
I'm currently in process at playing a couple of older ones, in The Call of Cthulhu, I'm on the Coast Guard Cutter but have already gotten through the major battles and only the boss is left in this chapter and also Penumbra: Black Plague.
A friend recently sent me a link to some "new" aka fake 2600 games including Call of Duty 4 for the Atari 2600
http://kotaku.com/5162344/
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/03/custom_1235930649700_3316986800_fb41b6a5fd_b_01.jpg)
We talked about how it would be fun to actually stick an embedded windows board in one of the old 2600 consoles and a flash drive in the cartridge with a new game such as COD4 loaded on it. Just dedicate some of the original slot pins for the USB interface, it would still look all original.
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I think there should be a cottage industry still producing carts for the old systems. I mean all these systems are still around. There's a small market. The pricing would have to be adjusted accordingly and there would have to be a blank cart cottage industry to match, but I think hobbyists could make money doing it.
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Shit, my xbox 360 just shat itself. I was hoping I'd be lucky enough to avoid that shit, since I take care of my electronics. At least it's not the full RROD, just one flashing light and an E74 error code. I'm pretty sure the GPU's borked, since right before it happened I was playing GTA4 and everything went green lines.
I called Xbox support and they want a hundred bucks to fix it. A friend told me all I need to do is tighten/reseat the heat sink on the GPU, but I'm not sure I really want to crack the case open.
Shit.
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^^
One of the main reasons I never invested in an Xbox or Xbox 360 is all the horror stories like that I've heard from friends who get completely fucked by malfunctioning hardware.
I'm currently playing a lot of Warhammer Online.
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To me Xbox is so similar to a PC that what's the point? I'd rather just get a PC. The same games come out for both anyway.
I like my consoles to seem like consoles. That's why I'm an unflinching advocate of Nintendo.
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/me smiles and pats his PS3...
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/me smiles and pats his PS3...
Neither of our consoles will play games worth a shit right at this moment, but at least mine can be fixed.
One of the main reasons I never invested in an Xbox or Xbox 360 is all the horror stories like that I've heard from friends who get completely fucked by malfunctioning hardware.
My 360 has been stellar up to this point. It's around three years old, so I've been expecting some problem or other to crop up soon, considering that I pretty much use it every day, for either games , xvid movies, or hulu/netflix.
I used to be a PC gamer, but PC games are so damn buggy that I gave up on it. PLus, you have to be constantly upgrading your hardware to keep up, when with a console every game is designed specifically for your machine.
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/me smiles and pats his PS3...
Neither of our consoles will play games worth a shit right at this moment, but at least mine can be fixed.
Oh?
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My cousin (the ogre), just got the red ring of death. He wants a Wii now.
*Drugmoth smiles and pats his Wii...
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Yeah I played a Wii once. It got boring after about ten minutes. I'm sure you're having a grand old time playing Harvest Moon and the stripped-down lousy version of Dead Rising.
I was gonna shell out for an Elite system to replace this one, until I dd some research and found out that they all have the exact same hardware inside, they just charge you more for a black coat of paint on the Elite, so I'm gonna go to Wal-Mart tomorrow and buy an Arcade system.
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Actually right now I'm enjoying THE FUCK out of Super Paper Mario, and Deadly Creatures is next on my Gamefly queue.
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Wii is superior. I think the sales figures reflect this pretty admirably.
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For sure. There really isn't anything better than a Nintendo original title.
OMFG BUT WHAT ABOUT HALO WARS?!?! I BE MISSING OUT ON SO MUCH!!!!
Yeah, missing out on boredom.
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One of the main reasons I never invested in an Xbox or Xbox 360 is all the horror stories like that I've heard from friends who get completely fucked by malfunctioning hardware.
The latest versions of the 360 hardware have eliminated the issues that were so prevalent in the beginning of the console's life.
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Wii is superior. I think the sales figures reflect this pretty admirably.
...I think you're drawing me into a conversational trap here. :P
How do you define "superior"?
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About like this (http://test.roughlydrafted.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/rd-techq307-entries-2007-8-25-nintendo-wii-vs-sony-playstation-3-vs-microsoft-xbox-360-q2-2007-files-droppedimage-2.jpg).
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pwned. Units sold:
PS3 - 21.3 million (as of December 31, 2008)
360 - 27.93 million (as of January 14, 2009)
Wii - 50 million (as of March 25, 2009)
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Well, there is a bit of a supply and demand quotient there to take into account. Bigger sales, may not necessarily mean "Superior", it may just be a result of the Wii being a lot cheaper because, well, it's a piece of crap when it comes down to specs.
The PS3 and 360 can run games that would fry a Wii (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=278). It's a niche device, and in the long run people will eventually get very tired of its limited scope.
It really only appeals to old people and eight-year-olds, and not even old people so much anymore.
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hey, shut it. i love my wii.
fuck i hate this keyboard, though. ::)
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About like this (http://test.roughlydrafted.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/rd-techq307-entries-2007-8-25-nintendo-wii-vs-sony-playstation-3-vs-microsoft-xbox-360-q2-2007-files-droppedimage-2.jpg).
Basic economics tells you that units sold has a lot of variables going into it. If units sold is your defintion of success, then you're more likely measuring word of mouth and online marketing as anything else.
Hardware is more cut & dry, and in that case, Wii is far behind the competition.
There's a lot of ways to measure success and superiority, and the Wii isn't leading in all of them. That's why I asked.
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8 year olds like me, psycho, doormouse, and thousands of other 20/30 somethings, right?
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Yes.
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Fight then in Allah's way; this is not imposed on you except in relation to yourself, and rouse the believers to ardor maybe Allah will restrain the fighting of those who disbelieve and Allah is strongest in prowess and strongest to give an exemplary punishment.
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STFU
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Anybody play ZZT or Kingdom of Loathing?
ZZT !
fuck i love that game. I still remember waiting at the comp club dist. desk for them to make me a copy.
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here's the thing: consoles are toys.
arguments that they don't meet your spec needs are spurious.
get a fucking pc if you want high tech gear; get a console if you want a console.
people don't buy fine wine because of its alcohol content.
What a typically techie line of argument.
What a foolish techie move: to cripple your gaming by reducing yourself to the world of consoles.
Do they have special olympic versions halo 3?
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Yeah, but PC games suck, and the other games that come out on both run better on the console. Plus, no cheaters/aimbot/script users, and you don't have to buy a new $200 video card every six months to keep up with PC gaming technology, or worry that the game will crash every twenty minutes because the game was written to run better on some other video card's driver.
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I don't game.
however.
Try playing a RTS on a console (think gampad Vs mouse/keyboard).
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I like pinball.
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or worry that the game will crash every twenty minutes
Shit, my xbox 360 just shat itself.
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I called Xbox support and they want a hundred bucks to fix it. A friend told me all I need to do is tighten/reseat the heat sink on the GPU, but I'm not sure I really want to crack the case open.
Shit.
@ho-jo:RTS? Try any S beyond mahjong. I agree that if we want to play non-console games then PC is the way to go!
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Like i said, I don't game.
I thought FPS was okay on consoles.
The last game I played was the first halo.
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I'm not a big fan of FPSes on consoles, but I think we're talking about different S's here. Strategy games on consoles tend to suck compared to their PC equivalents. Shooters can actually be mildly ok on consoles, although I still think PCs handle them better.
I reserve consoles for platformers, space shooters, and anything freaky.
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sorry, should of pointed out I changed S.
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or worry that the game will crash every twenty minutes
Shit, my xbox 360 just shat itself.
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I called Xbox support and they want a hundred bucks to fix it. A friend told me all I need to do is tighten/reseat the heat sink on the GPU, but I'm not sure I really want to crack the case open.
Shit.
That's a lackluster comparison you're drawing there. I was talking about shoddily-ported software in the former, and the latter was just my console screwing up after owning it for three years in a smoking environment. The two aren't even connected in the slightest.
And I played the demo for Command and Conquer 3 on the xbox and did just fine with it. Once you get used to a controller, stuff like that becomes no problem. Especially the Xbox 360 controller, they designed that thing REALLY well for all types of gaming. It works better than you'd think.
But me, I don't really play RTS games, they're boring as shit.
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I've never heard of anything Nintendo not being curable by simply blowing on it.
But who am I to judge. You're free to waste your money on whatever you wish. That's the glory of capitalism.
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This is somewhat of a cross topic/fourm post.
I remember playin turn based games in the late 80s. They were fun. I would go to comp club every week, hand in my disk and rush home after to see where i stood in the game.
These games are very simple and small. Ive gone around looking for one and I can't seem to find any, the one we played was based on star trek, space seems to be the best type of genre/map for these slower trivial amusements.
This type of game is also something id love to see developed as a message board plug-in. Do they exisit as plugs ? I can't find any.
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I loved playing play-by-mail games in the early 1980's. There was a Tasmanian company ran a great geme.
Tasmanian!
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(http://www.reallynatural.com/pictures/tasmaniandevil.jpg)
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This is somewhat of a cross topic/fourm post.
I remember playin turn based games in the late 80s. They were fun. I would go to comp club every week, hand in my disk and rush home after to see where i stood in the game.
These games are very simple and small. Ive gone around looking for one and I can't seem to find any, the one we played was based on star trek, space seems to be the best type of genre/map for these slower trivial amusements.
This type of game is also something id love to see developed as a message board plug-in. Do they exisit as plugs ? I can't find any.
Do you mean stuff like Pimpwar (http://www.pimpwar.com/)? Games like that are all over the net. My cousin is always playing them, but they bore me to death. If you want me to I could Skype him for some of the ones he plays. I remember that there's one he's really fond of that he's been playing for like, three or four years, that's a fantasy setting with knights and peasants and shit.
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naa. i mean..hmm.
what im talking about had maps, you moved accross them and shit i dunno how to describe it other than an 80s 2d version of homeworld, without all the mining type stuff.
i should point out i have no idea what pimpwars looks like. yes, that would be proper.
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Try playing a RTS on a console (think gampad Vs mouse/keyboard).
Halo Wars has done a pretty impressive job at bringing RTS to the console.
Also, Tom Clancy's Endwar used voice control, which shows a lot of promise!
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What a typically techie line of argument.
What a foolish techie move: to cripple your gaming by reducing yourself to the world of consoles.
Actually, a key point here between PC gaming and console gaming is standards and interface.
standards:
With a console, you can be sure to get the same experience at every instance of that console. There's no chance that you'll come across a console that - in perfect working order - is unable to play a game at the appropriate resolution or anti-aliasing level.
interface:
playing a game with a console controller can often have a completely different experience than playing the same game with a keyboard and a mouse. similarly, playing a game with a Wiimote yields a different experience when compared to playing the same game using a normal console controller.
And, of course, to run high-def games, you need a non-Wii console.
So, sometimes, tech specs matter.
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Try playing a RTS on a console (think gampad Vs mouse/keyboard).
Halo Wars has done a pretty impressive job at bringing RTS to the console.
Also, Tom Clancy's Endwar used voice control, which shows a lot of promise!
nevermind. missed the wars part.
and yeah i think i remember reading about halowars somewhere. i read about games, dont play them though.
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RTS, FPS, (MMO)RPGs > Almost always better on PC
Platformers, Sports, Action/Adventure Games, Racing/Flying, Fighting > Almost always better on Consoles
I could exhaustively elaborate on this for eternity, but I will try to sum it up as best as I can.
RTS FPS and RPG games usually requires dozens, some requiring up to hundreds of different button combinations in order to use all available abilities. The only way to make these games work on console is to dumb down the complexity of them and vastly modify their control schemes.
Someone cited Halo Wars as a successful example of Console RTS. I'd say Halo Wars is a perfect example of a dumbed down RTS system vastly modified to fit an unnatural control scheme.
Here's how the control is described on the Halo Wars wikipedia entry:
"Designed specifically for the Xbox 360, Halo Wars uses the console controller's A-button for unit selections. A single tap of the A button selects one unit, a double-tap all units of a like type, and holding down the button creates a paintbrush-style selection cursor. The X-button for moving to or attacking a target, and the Y button activates special abilities.[7] The D-pad is used for navigating to battles or cycling through bases. Buildings and upgrades are arranged and managed in a circle-shaped menu.[8]"
Here's how I would describe the control of a computer RTS:
"Use mouse, highlight all units, click keyboard key or mouse action to do something with them."
FPS games on consoles are usually are dumbed down with auto-aim and limited content. Since it is impossible to mimic the precision of mouse aiming on PC FPS with a console control stick, most games just resort to letting the game aim for you automatically, which takes the majority of the skill and fun out of the game. Additionally, most FPS games on PC thrive on user created content, levels, mods, design packs, additions, and none of that is available to most console titles.
RPG games are a mixed bag, depending on how they are designed you can play them equally on either system, but MMORPGs can only be played on PCs because the complexity of control (and communication) requires too many buttons to ever rationally put on a controller. I would like to see someone try but I don't think it will ever work.
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Platformers, Sports, Action/Adventure Games, Racing/Flying, Fighting
These games are almost always better on consoles. Platformers are ideal, control sticks and few buttons are all you need for a good platform jumper. Sports games are great on consoles and most companies rarely even release versions of their Sports games on PCs anymore. General Action/Adventure games are a mixed bag, but more end up on consoles than PC by a wide margin. Racing and Flying are almost always better with a stick/controller than a mouse and keyboard. Fighting games are designed perfectly for consoles, because most games require only a stick and 6-8 buttons.
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MMORPGs can only be played on PCs because the complexity of control (and communication) requires too many buttons to ever rationally put on a controller. I would like to see someone try but I don't think it will ever work.
Woah!
I'm actually working on some software RIGHT NOW that translates button combos into actions, specifically for WoW. Turns it into kind of a fighter.
It's not done but, when it is, I'd be glad to share it with you. You said that you're a Warhammer guy, right?
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Also, one of the most popular MMOs to ever hit the market, FF11, is played on the xbox 360, and even on the PC it's designed to be used with a gamepad.
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MMORPGs can only be played on PCs because the complexity of control (and communication) requires too many buttons to ever rationally put on a controller. I would like to see someone try but I don't think it will ever work.
Woah!
I'm actually working on some software RIGHT NOW that translates button combos into actions, specifically for WoW. Turns it into kind of a fighter.
It's not done but, when it is, I'd be glad to share it with you. You said that you're a Warhammer guy, right?
I played WOW for a long time. When I did, I had probably 4-5 bars (4 or 5 x 12 = 48-60) abilities bound to various key and key combinations. That alone is not possible on any console controller. If you are clicking your abilities with a pointer or a control stick you are inherently slower/less competitive than other players. You lose time and lose precision. Same reason you can't play as precisely in FPS games on a console controller.
How exactly do you propose to overcome the communication barrier? Without a keyboard how do you group up with people and socialize or work as a team? PC MMOs force at least minimal communication via in game chat and have optional support for voice communication if people have microphones.
How can you modify the game interface on a console title? In WoW and Warhammer (the two MMOs I have any real experience with) the default interface is so god awful that I wouldn't be able to accurately perform my class roles in the game without addons. Addons are made by third parties to improve the interface. As far as I know it's not possible to do this on a console.
This is what I would see as the three major obstacles to overcome for a console MMO.
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Also, one of the most popular MMOs to ever hit the market, FF11, is played on the xbox 360, and even on the PC it's designed to be used with a gamepad.
If you have more abilities than buttons there has to be some type of control compromise. I have absolutely no experience playing FF11 but how would you use several dozen abilities on a gamepad with only 8-12 buttons?
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standards:
With a console, you can be sure to get the same experience at every instance of that console. There's no chance that you'll come across a console that - in perfect working order - is unable to play a game at the appropriate resolution or anti-aliasing level.
Consoles are unable to play much much more than PCs are unable to play. Your point here boils down to the fact that consoles are immutable and PC are extremely modifiable. I'm afraid that's really only an impediment to game-play for the lazy and/or mindless. Not a very strong argument in favor of Xbox360 over PC... No argument in favor of Xbox360 over Wii.
interface:
playing a game with a console controller can often have a completely different experience than playing the same game with a keyboard and a mouse. similarly, playing a game with a Wiimote yields a different experience when compared to playing the same game using a normal console controller.
Like I said, PCs are modifiable (http://w.youtube.com/watch?v=8WHscAthzko). No argument favoring Xbox360 over PC or Wii.
So, sometimes, tech specs matter.
If tech specs matter then...
Buy. A. Computer.
You can surpass any console system on the market by modifying your PC. It'll be easier than modifying your console I guarantee.
If you refuse to modify anything then buy a Wii because they're way hotter.
Ultimately, however, feel free to flush your money down the toilet on whatever you wish. It greases the wheels of the economy (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5WOelVd05LY/RrTYXZwXfAI/AAAAAAAAHQI/Sv_vIDNPADs/s400/Bill%2BGates%2Bplaying%2Bvideo%2Bgames%2Bat%2BCES%2B(2005).jpg).
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Also, one of the most popular MMOs to ever hit the market, FF11, is played on the xbox 360, and even on the PC it's designed to be used with a gamepad.
If you have more abilities than buttons there has to be some type of control compromise. I have absolutely no experience playing FF11 but how would you use several dozen abilities on a gamepad with only 8-12 buttons?
Combos!
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Buy. A. Computer.
You can surpass any console system on the market by modifying your PC. It'll be easier than modifying your console I guarantee.
I see where we're missing each other here. Consumer versus Supplier.
Also, I'm looking at things from a developer's standpoint, and you're being a douche.
When I'm writing software for a controlled environment, I'm able to focus on things other than compatibility with a wide variety of commodity hardware. It also means I'm able to fine-tune that software, since I know exactly what I can and can't expect from the target platform.
Additionally, when I'm writing for a controlled environment, I don't have to worry about delivery channels and controlling the distribution of your product. And this is one of the big reasons that PC gaming is becoming less and less prevalent: lack of control by the Suppliers. So as much as my PC might be able to handle any and everything thrown at it, without having Suppliers producing software to throw, it's just so much hardware.
Luckily, systems like Steam are working in the favor of developers and players, such that more and more indie houses are signing on with Steam as a distribution channel. That's good news for PC gamers, who have not had a good time of it in the last few years of cross-platform development.
To conclude:
Certainly, a $500 PC has more power under the hood than any 360, PS3, or Wii.
But I wasn't talking about PCs in the first place; I was talking about consoles, and what having more capable hardware means for comparing consoles.
Which is why the Wii is not superior to the Xbox360, when considering technical specs: the Wii's hardware is inferior.
However, the Wii IS superior to the Xbox360, when considering sales numbers: the Wii's interface is more accessible.
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Also, one of the most popular MMOs to ever hit the market, FF11, is played on the xbox 360, and even on the PC it's designed to be used with a gamepad.
If you have more abilities than buttons there has to be some type of control compromise. I have absolutely no experience playing FF11 but how would you use several dozen abilities on a gamepad with only 8-12 buttons?
Uh, I dunno... radial menus maybe? Or just make the game playable so you don't have to download a custom UI with so many ability buttons that it blocks out the screen?
When I played WoW people would look at my screenshots and marvel at the fact that I used the default UI instead of a custom one. I couldn't stand the custom UIs, they were buggy, crappily designed, and covered up my field of vision which drove me nuts, so I just mapped all of my abilities to hotkeys/key combinations that I memorized.
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When I played WoW people would look at my screenshots and marvel at the fact that I used the default UI instead of a custom one. I couldn't stand the custom UIs, they were buggy, crappily designed, and covered up my field of vision which drove me nuts, so I just mapped all of my abilities to hotkeys/key combinations that I memorized.
How long ago was that?
I know that back in the first few years, WoW UIs could be sketchy, but there's quite a significant homebrew market now, populated by very talented folks. They do a much better job of things, these days.
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I played for a year-and-a-half off and on, from... Early 2005 to mid-2006 I think. Then one night I was sitting there after a kill in BWL listening to some other roues argue with hunters over some piece of purple loot for over a half an hour, and I suddenly realized that... I'd been playing this game for a year and a fucking half alongside these idiots. I imagine I had the same feeling that alcoholics get during their "moment of clarity".
The next day I inventoried all my shit, logged off, and canceled my subscription, and within the week sold my rogue for 300 bucks.
Never looked back.
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Uh, I dunno... radial menus maybe? Or just make the game playable so you don't have to download a custom UI with so many ability buttons that it blocks out the screen?
When I played WoW people would look at my screenshots and marvel at the fact that I used the default UI instead of a custom one. I couldn't stand the custom UIs, they were buggy, crappily designed, and covered up my field of vision which drove me nuts, so I just mapped all of my abilities to hotkeys/key combinations that I memorized.
(http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v198/158/114/2206804/n2206804_41536785_1477.jpg)
Here's my level 60 priest interface (from 3 years ago maybe?), he had 36 keybindings which you can see on the top of each ability. Keep in mind two expansions later most characters have 10-15 new abilities. My Paladin had 4 rows of keybindings and one hidden so about 55-60 bindings.
Plus when you play a healer you have to keep track of every other single person in your entire party and keeping them alive and buffed, etc. Back in this time you had 40 man raids so you had to do that for 40 different people, which is everything on the right side of my screen.
You can get away with a default interface if you play maybe a Rogue (single focus dps with no real group abilities at all)? But other than that, if you aren't paying attention to and helping your group mates with what they are doing (and you generally need mods to identify a lot of these problems) then you aren't doing everything you can to succeed.
Uh, I dunno... radial menus maybe? Or just make the game playable so you don't have to download a custom UI with so many ability buttons that it blocks out the screen?
Different classes have different needs in their interface. Like I described above, healers need to be able to pay more attention to their group than focus DPSers. DPSers might need a mod to tell them how well they are doing vs. other DPSers or gauging their threat on the boss. You can't build a one-sized fits-all interface for a game with numerous classes performing different roles. That's why being able to customize the interface is so important to me, and if your friends who marveled at your default setting are any indication, its very important to them as well.
I'd go so far as to say that I'm so used to customizable interfaces now in games like WoW/War that I would flat out refuse to purchase and play any other MMO that didn't allow the same kind of customization, in that it is a basic requirement to be operable and work towards the users goal in the game which can often be vastly different between users. Additionally, I'd say that it's actually physically impossible for a company to design an interface for a game as complicated as most MMOs that fits all the requirements of everyone who will play it.
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Yeah, from three years ago, but you forget that even WoW is moving away from that. Didn't they change all of their 40-man instances to 20-man with one of those expansions? At least I think I heard that. And even before then, most of the new ones like Ahn-Quirac or whatever it was called (the bug place that was added right before I quit the game) was 20-man-focused, or half of it was, and I bet those were lowered with that update. Less people to keep track of means less micromanaging of abilities, means less need to customize your UI.
Once one of these companies decides to take something like Guild Wars (which I've ever played, but have heard a lot about) and scale it for a console WoW and MMOs like it will become a distant memory.
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my favorite part of that screenshot is the chat transcript.
"To [Rzaa]: tmi"
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I loved playing that game come calculators had, you know, the one where the numbers would scroll across the lcd and you had to hit the right number before it made it the left hand side.
Now that was a fucking UI.
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my favorite part of that screenshot is the chat transcript.
"To [Rzaa]: tmi"
Leeroy! Dragon!
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my favorite part of that screenshot is the chat transcript.
"To [Rzaa]: tmi"
Leeroy! Dragon!
Leeroy.... Jenkins?
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The same.
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yeah the best part is the chat log, that was actually the original reason for the ss
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Plus when you play a healer you have to keep track of every other single person in your entire party and keeping them alive and buffed, etc. Back in this time you had 40 man raids so you had to do that for 40 different people, which is everything on the right side of my screen.
Does this sound sort of like being a fluffer at a porn shoot to anyone else, or is it just me?
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I've been playing GTA4: The Lost and Damned and it's actually pretty fun, if kinda lackluster so far. But then again, so was GTA4.
But you get to ride in chopper races and swing at the other racers with a baseball bat so Win!
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I downloaded the demo for FLOCK! today.
Nick/Zoomie, it's a sheep-farming simulator.
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I downloaded the demo for FLOCK! today.
Nick/Zoomie, it's a sheep-farming simulator.
How is Flock? I saw it on Steam but didn't look into it.
I've been doing some GTA4 lately. I think my only gripe about it is how shitty it runs on my less than six month old computer, and how time-consuming it is to get anywhere in the game. I just taxi it everywhere now because of how long it takes to drive from Pt a to b. The storyline is good though, I find myself actually interested in the character development and I like the choice missions where you end up deciding who lives and dies and it fixes the storyline after that much.
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I liked that it took a long time to drive across the city, because it meant there was a hell of a lot of city to fuck around in, and the level of detail is amazing.
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Ugh. I hate Steam.
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How is Flock? I saw it on Steam but didn't look into it.
I was extremely bored by it.
Also: Steam is the best compromise between publishers and users that's currently available.
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OK, but why do we have to compromise? I don't see any compromises going on with the music industry or the film industry and both are doing quite well.
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OK, but why do we have to compromise? I don't see any compromises going on with the music industry or the film industry and both are doing quite well.
Please see the DRM thread for compromises made in other entertainment industries.
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Haha. That's the one thread on L-G that I've been skipping. I got into it too late and haven't been motivated enough to read it yet.
Anyway I still think Steam is evil. It's divesting consumers of their property rights. Or, to put it differently, it's ensuring that those rights never become established. They should call it a rental service because that's what it is. Long-term rental. I have the same uneasiness about this system as I do about MMORPGs. Both are systems perpetuated by grasping, avaricious VG distributors who couldn't care less if the games are playable in 30 years. Maybe they even plan to make the consumer shell out another wad of cash to buy the hard-copy after it's obsolete. It's disgusting. It breathes middle-man. There's no way the artists behind the games would want this. I reckon the artists behind MMORPGs are more into temporal art so they just don't care, but the artists who release stuff via Steam? Why? They're talked into it by the middle-men.
EDIT: OK that's not totally accurate. I also skip the ID thread since people got whiny last time I spoke on that subject.
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The games are barely playable now, let alone in 30 years time.
Hence I only play old old games.
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Ugh. I hate Steam.
I don't dislike Steam, but I don't use it a lot either.
I've only ever used it to buy Valve's games and Audiosurf (a game that isn't retailed anywhere else).
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I made the mistake of buying a copy of halflife 2 at a garage sale a few months ago, I thought since i was getting back online social, i might play a game. Huge mistake. Huge.
I didnt know anything about this steam crap then, I do now.
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Basically what PC Game publishers are doing is eliminating your ability to resell games. Since I've never resold a game in my life, I don't really mind so much.
I have more sympathy for PC Game publishers than Console publishers, because PC is my favorite platform by far, and PC publishers are forced to deal with piracy where console really doesn't have to deal with that at all. I've never purchased a PC game and had any problems keeping my ownership rights to it.
Blizzard has a thing now where you can register your old CD keys on their site and download patched versions of the game on any PC anywhere with your universal Blizzard login. I loaded up all my CD-keys on their website when I created a new battle.net account and I re-downloaded Starcraft recently and installed it from their site because I felt like playing it for a few hours. No problems.
If anything I think most of the innovation is on the "good guy side".
There's a lot of bullshit that is going on with media right (see DRM thread) but I think PC Game publishers are fairly benign in comparison to the assholes who run the Music and Movie industries.
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If you're supporting Steam then you're part of the problem. You're burning your own ass.
EDIT: Also, in eliminating your ability to resell/pirate games, the PC Game publishers are eliminating your ability to replay games as a side-effect. If you've never resold a game in your life then surely you appreciate the terribleness of this. That's the way I am. I love my games. I can't stand what these companies like Steam are doing to them. I just made a big post about it at the DRM thread.
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Im going to point out,
I think steam is an interesting concept.
I don't game like the ppl in this convo.
I just didnt like getting ripped off.
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Im going to point out,
I think steam is an interesting concept.
I don't game like the ppl in this convo.
I just didnt like getting ripped off.
Yeah I understand where you are coming from Joe. It's clear to see from this thread who the uber-nerds are. I don't think I've ever purchased a game second hand, because I'm always afraid of being ripped off. Something is missing, the discs are ruined, the CD key has been banned, etc. etc.
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Well OK I can take that label, but you gotta realize I'm being a property rights uber-nerd here rather than a video game uber-nerd.
If you don't like getting ripped off, then why smile while the companies to do it to you? It hurts everybody.
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Speaking of GTA4, I bought that shit months ago and have yet to play it. It's fucking daunting, so I reckon I'll just see if I can get a copy of someone's save game so I can rampage throughout the whole city and not have to do any work.
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Also, how's Audiosurf, by the way Libertine? I have high hopes for it.
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Also, how's Audiosurf, by the way Libertine? I have high hopes for it.
It's probably the best $10 I ever spent on a video game. It has infinite re-playability. Even my girlfriend loved it.
It's like a psychedelic key-mashing version of guitar hero except you pick your own game play options (how the tracks work) and you pick your own music.
It's really awesome with long trance and metal songs. It's amazing with how it forms tracks for some songs though.
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Awesome. Speaking of nerdiness, that right there is a big nerdiness of mine. Music in games. I'm a total head-over-heels sucker. There are very few musically generated games and that's what had me so excited about Audiosurf. Like you said, infinite replayability. Hot. There's a game like this that came out for Wii that I want too, called Helix.
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It's really awesome with long trance and metal songs. It's amazing with how it forms tracks for some songs though.
ugh this sounds like my own personal hellspace.
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Okay, I didn't really get ripped off.
This is what I got for $40 Au.
Rainbow Six 3
Vietcong
Medal of Honor : Allied Assault
Medal of Honor : Pacific Assault
Project I.G.I
Project I.G.I-2 Covert Strike
Ghost Recon : complete box pack (all mission add ons.)
and then of course half life 2, the only one i wanted to play.
for $40 I think i got a good deal.
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There's no way the artists behind the games would want this. I reckon the artists behind MMORPGs are more into temporal art so they just don't care, but the artists who release stuff via Steam? Why?
Because it really is cut-throat to get a publisher in the video game industry that won't try to manipulate and control every facet of your art. So, when a digitial distribution system comes along like Steam such that you don't need to have boxed copies on store shelves anymore, you - as an artist and a person that wants to make money - see it as a golden opportunity to get your creation out into the world at minimal cost.
If you don't like getting ripped off, then why smile while the companies to do it to you? It hurts everybody.
I'd be surprised if you'd ever crafted a thing for sale in your life, saying nonsense like this.
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I don't think I've ever purchased a game second hand, because I'm always afraid of being ripped off. Something is missing, the discs are ruined, the CD key has been banned, etc. etc.
Also note, whenever you purchase a used game from any storefront like GameStop, they pocket ALL of the money. Used games sales directly impact the bottom line for production & development houses.
And whatever you may feel about DRM, saving $5 on a video game purchase takes away all of the remaining revenue for the original artists. Which is bunk.
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The games are barely playable now, let alone in 30 years time.
Hence I only play old old games.
http://www.gog.com/ (http://www.gog.com/)
Good Old Games has built an emulation engine which allows really, really old games to be playable in even the newest operating systems.
They operate with a framework similar to Steam's, however.
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EDIT: Also, in eliminating your ability to resell/pirate games, the PC Game publishers are eliminating your ability to replay games as a side-effect. If you've never resold a game in your life then surely you appreciate the terribleness of this. That's the way I am. I love my games. I can't stand what these companies like Steam are doing to them.
Valve is the company, Steam is the product.
And I will agree on one point, here: purchasing a game via Steam means that your ownership of that game is fully dependent upon the benevolence of Valve, to make sure that their DRM & Digital Distribution system (Steam) keeps working. In the last decade, they've been pretty reliable as a development studio as well as a publishing studio. And while you and I both know that will only last as long as it's profitable for it to last, I'm willing to believe based on historical evidence that they'll continue to provide Steam as a service for many, many years to come.
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Didnt steam shut down at somepoint ? I have a vauge memory about this.
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Didnt steam shut down at somepoint ? I have a vauge memory about this.
It was buggy at launch, but it's been stable for many years now.
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Also note, whenever you purchase a used game from any storefront like GameStop, they pocket ALL of the money. Used games sales directly impact the bottom line for production & development houses.
And whatever you may feel about DRM, saving $5 on a video game purchase takes away all of the remaining revenue for the original artists. Which is bunk.
Wait, what? You've got to be kidding. It sounds like you're saying that if I sell GTA4 to a friend of mine for 20 bucks then I should mail 10 of that to Rockstar because they made the game. Once you buy the game, the company has their money, where do you get the idea that they deserve more from a resale?
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I'd suggest the idea comes from the concept of licensing.
e.g. I rent/licence my sim card from the fone company.
(the idea my not be what eitje was typing about.)
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Also note, whenever you purchase a used game from any storefront like GameStop, they pocket ALL of the money. Used games sales directly impact the bottom line for production & development houses.
And whatever you may feel about DRM, saving $5 on a video game purchase takes away all of the remaining revenue for the original artists. Which is bunk.
Wait, what? You've got to be kidding. It sounds like you're saying that if I sell GTA4 to a friend of mine for 20 bucks then I should mail 10 of that to Rockstar because they made the game. Once you buy the game, the company has their money, where do you get the idea that they deserve more from a resale?
Listen, fool. They don't DESERVE the money from the resale, and that's not what I said at all. Jesus resurrected, I swear that you don't even read what people say sometimes before you go off half-cocked.
I'm saying that, if you're given the option between buying a new game and a used game, if you like the IP from the game and want to see more of it, then you should buy the new version. When you buy a used game, the company(-ies) that designed, developed, and produced the game don't have visibility into that sale. In fact, the only one that benefits from that transaction is the middle man.
Now, at the scale of you selling a game to a friend, that's not going to be a blip on the radar for them. But at the transaction levels where companies like EBgames and GameStop operate, used game sales can cause significant disruption for the studios.
In conclusion: Game studios are in the business of making money. Used game sales at national chains impact their ability to make money. Try to buy a game new, if you're going to buy it from a national chain.
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I retract my former post for fear of being called a n0ob.
jk. sorta. ~hides.
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If you don't like getting ripped off, then why smile while the companies to do it to you? It hurts consumers and artists. Not the commercially-minded "artists" or the carpe diem consumers, but those of us that care.
fixed.
And while you and I both know that will only last as long as it's profitable for it to last, I'm willing to believe based on historical evidence that they'll continue to provide Steam as a service for many, many years to come.
Historical evidence most certainly does not support the continued ability to play these games in the future.
1983: GameLine content delivery system - Died in the crash of 83. When was the last time you played Save the Whales?
1992: Teleplay Modem content delivery system - When was the last time you played Terran Wars, Battle Storm, or Sea Battle?
1995: Satellaview content delivery system - Played DynamiTracer, Treasure Conflix, Kirby's ToyBox, or Radical Dreamers in the last decade? I don't see Nintendo dying. They just decided that the gamers should no longer be interested in these games. It wasn't profitable for them any more so fuck it.
These games are just a bare handful of titles that no longer exist because the delivery systems have ceased to deliver and the players are now left with nothing but their shattered sense of erstwhile ownership. If you're curious I could supply you with ten times the number of games whose fates are similarly lost to time for exclusive content deliver reasons. So you see history actually shows that dear old Steam is in fact doing nothing more than casting a dark cloak over all games that are released exclusively through it just as the Satellaview and the Teleplay Modem and the GameLine did before it. It is in fact a historical certainty, unless...
Oh...
Oh, I see what you're doing there. You've shifted the goalposts and are using historical evidence of the strength of Valve as a company to support your assertion that it will continue to provide games via Steam for the next "many, many years." Interesting. Perhaps even accurate depending on your definition of "many, many." If you look at sales figures for the content delivery systems I've mentioned above, I think you'll see that the gamers who used them also shared the same notions you have about "many, many years." To make matters worse, that notion only needs to be adopted once during the span of the system for the consumer to sucker himself permanently. What can you as a gamer do when you find out the system is failing? Petition the company to provide hard copies for purchase? Good luck with that.
This relatively new concept of the middleman keeping part of the product for himself as insurance against his elimination is what is so profoundly evil about content delivery systems that don't offer a traditional purchasing option as well as their jazzy rentals. And for all I hate your beloved DRM solutions, I think they are a cool concept to have for idiots who prefer renting to owning. What I object to is that these companies have made the affirmative "compromise" of barring the consumer from owning the product. Furthermore they've fooled the masses into believing that they own the product so the masses haven't even gotten restless. The effect of this is that these companies are beginning to dominate the markets.
You can't get many of these games in hardcopy any more. I've spent many hours trying to track down a copy of a game they only offer on Steam in North America. I've contacted sellers in Russia, and Lithuania to get my hands on the product and I can assure you I'm not planning to quickly pirate it out to all of my buddies. I'm just a normal person who wants to be able to play a game I purchased as I lie on my deathbed in the year 2200 (I'm assuming medical advances will allow me to live this long). Imagine if they did this with land. Let's say giant heartless holding companies held your deed for you. People would have a shit fit.
Every generation has had its suckers, but when the ecstatic choir of the naive overpowers the pleas and warnings of the realistic then we're all fucked. Look to Rome.
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Imagine if they did this with land. Let's say giant heartless holding companies held your deed for you.
They do. The giant heartless holding companies are called "governments".
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They only hold copies of it in the US. But anyway that was a bad example because you have access to the physical land even if the government fails. It would work better if the land only existed so long as the deed was made available to you. But ok now the analogy is wearing thin.
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What can you as a gamer do when you find out the system is failing? Petition the company to provide hard copies for purchase? Good luck with that.
A number of music sites shut down in the last few years (wal-mart, yahoo), all of which had DRM tied to the songs they sold. Folks began legal proceedings, most cases were settled out of court, and no one was left without a replacement for the property they had purchased.
The difference between 1995 and 2009 is the ubiquitousness of computers. Our culture is much more geared towards handling a potential shutdown.
And finally, in the specific case of Valve, they've already said that if Steam is ever shut down, Valve will make sure that all Steam-based games are released from Steam.
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You can't get many of these games in hardcopy any more. I've spent many hours trying to track down a copy of a game they only offer on Steam in North America. I've contacted sellers in Russia, and Lithuania to get my hands on the product and I can assure you I'm not planning to quickly pirate it out to all of my buddies. I'm just a normal person who wants to be able to play a game I purchased as I lie on my deathbed in the year 2200 (I'm assuming medical advances will allow me to live this long).
With that physical copy, what do you have that's any different from the digital download? The medium is different, but it's the same series of bits on your CD/DVD that's on my hard drive.
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And finally, in the specific case of Valve, they've already said that if Steam is ever shut down, Valve will make sure that all Steam-based games are released from Steam.
OK this is news to me and if it's accurate then I'm somewhat happier about it. I would even be willing to pay for the game twice provided I can ultimately get my hands on the real thing.
With that physical copy, what do you have that's any different from the digital download? The medium is different, but it's the same series of bits on your CD/DVD that's on my hard drive.
Maybe they've changed things on Steam since I purchased from Valve last, but last time I bought from them I didn't get any installation files. Everything was remotely installed. When my computer crashed I had to go back to Steam to get the files remotely installed again. It got me worrying about what would happen when Steam was no longer around.
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They only hold copies of it in the US.
Yeah, but the deeds themselves aren't worth shit. The fact that the government recognises your ownership of the land is what guarantees said ownership. If the government falls, someone else takes over, and decides that they don't recognise the same ownership rights, you're shit outta luck. I realize this is an extreme analogy, but it's not something that's impossible. It's happened countless times with countries around the world over the years.
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In the US we also have guns, and we're encouraged to use them in defense of our land.
My analogy to land ownership:...
that was a bad example
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They only hold copies of it in the US.
Yeah, but the deeds themselves aren't worth shit. The fact that the government recognises your ownership of the land is what guarantees said ownership. If the government falls, someone else takes over, and decides that they don't recognise the same ownership rights, you're shit outta luck. I realize this is an extreme analogy, but it's not something that's impossible. It's happened countless times with countries around the world over the years.
Forced resumption of land happens all the time (for roads and stuff), sure you might get something close to its ture value back. Doesnt happen very often though.
You don't even have use govs failing to make the point, i see y you did though.
just my .5 of a cent on the off topic Door not trying to hammer it.
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Oh no problem. I freely admit that
My analogy to land ownership:...
that was a bad example
As I'm still in the Good Friday mood, what sort of penance would be appropriate? Shall I download Audiosurf from Steam? I am kind of looking for a bad excuse to.
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Lick the screen while viewing bagmans rubber cock. (?)
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If you don't trust Steam as a distribution model then continue to buy hard copies of games and don't deal with Steam. This is really not hard. You can even buy Orange Box as a hard copy I'm pretty sure.
The difference between now and 1983-1995 is that people have different concepts of ownership. I would say that I care more about some of the files I have in my computer (digital ownership) than I do about actual physical assets in my apartment (real ownership). This is, short of much description, pretty fucked up; however, people understand the idea of owning files and temporally controlling them much better than they did in the 80s and 90s. Like Si said, the ubiquitous nature of computers today speaks volumes to that.
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Um, dont you need a steam account to play some games ? even if you have a hard copy ? ( I wouldnt have an issue with my 2nd hand HL2 game if i could play it with having to log onto steam to auth. it.)
edit : i know i can play offline once auth.
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Yeah you do. I grew up in a very rural area so I had no internet access back when Steam first started becoming mandatory. There are plenty of places that are similarly internet-free areas. I think that contributes a lot to my irritation with this kind of distribution. For the first Steam game I got I had to drive my CPU into town so I could hook up to a friend's internet so I could register with Steam to play a game I purchased from the shelf of a store. That is ridiculous.
Anyway, whatever. Most people either don't care about the situation or are actively embracing it so it's not like anything's going to change. I think it's sad but I think a lot of things are sad.
EDIT: Hom-jo, you should be able to play offline. There is a setting somewhere to play in offline mode. That's what I had to do for mine.
EDIT 2: striking. I misread that...
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Having to go online to use something you bought at a store is fucking bullshit. I haven't bothered hooking my PS3 up online yet, and I'm gonna be really pissed off if the impetus to finally get around to doing that is some bullshit thing like a new game won't play unless I download something.
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Having to go online to use something you bought at a store is fucking bullshit. I haven't bothered hooking my PS3 up online yet, and I'm gonna be really pissed off if the impetus to finally get around to doing that is some bullshit thing like a new game won't play unless I download something.
Get ready for it. System updates come out on a regular basis for the PS3. Hell, you're probably well over a major version behind, at this point.
The PS3 was designed to be launched low and upgraded over time. You should check out some of the wacky shit your system could do!
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OK this is news to me and if it's accurate then I'm somewhat happier about it.
CEG is the latest technology on that front:
http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/publishingservices.php#CEG (http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/publishingservices.php#CEG)
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Cool. Still difficult for people without internet access, but oh well.
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Um, dont you need a steam account to play some games ? even if you have a hard copy ? ( I wouldnt have an issue with my 2nd hand HL2 game if i could play it with having to log onto steam to auth. it.)
edit : i know i can play offline once auth.
You could crack it.
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Cool. Still difficult for people without internet access, but oh well.
There's something to it though. Because here's the thing: Without internet authentication of a computer game, there's literally no incentive for anyone to purchase it, other than being nice. Why pay $50 for a game you don't' need to authenticate when you can just download it for free and not authenticate it.
If you don't need to be online at all to legitimize your copy of the PC game, you have no reason to pay for it. Just download the shit from bittorrent, install it, and never authenticate it at all.
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This is what they are trying to prevent.
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...you have no reason to pay for it. Just download the shit from bittorrent, install it, and never authenticate it at all.
This is what they are trying to prevent.
But they can't prevent it because by the time the game hits the market there are already a thousand people working on cracking it. Steam sucks ass for sure though. I bought a commercial box version of Half Life2 with the serial still on the CD case at the thrift store and the fucking thing installed but would not run. Every time I tried to start it it told me I would have to purchase it because the CD key had previously been used. Even if I had bought it new in the store, had it for a while and decided I wanted to install it on a new machine I would have been out of luck. .torrent saved the day and I will never look back. But I did have to download the entire fucking game. The official hard copy was fucking useless.
In the US we also have guns, and we're encouraged to use them in defense of our land.
Changes are in the works though, they no longer want us being able to protect ourselves. Watch for it,
changes are coming and it has nothing to do with Obama. ...but you will be encouraged to blame him.
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Cool. Still difficult for people without internet access, but oh well.
There's something to it though. Because here's the thing: Without internet authentication of a computer game, there's literally no incentive for anyone to purchase it, other than being nice. Why pay $50 for a game you don't' need to authenticate when you can just download it for free and not authenticate it.
If you don't need to be online at all to legitimize your copy of the PC game, you have no reason to pay for it. Just download the shit from bittorrent, install it, and never authenticate it at all.
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This is what they are trying to prevent.
Of all the things I said earlier why would you choose that line to quote?
But anyway the thing is: I know I'm in the minority here. But the reason is not because I don't understand the situation. It's because I have a fundamentally different idea about the rights associated with the transfer of property than the rest of you people. I think that if I buy something I should be able to have total possession of it. You guys don't care if it's still partially held by the seller. That's fine. We disagree at a fundamental level. I've given up on trying to talk what I would consider sense into you guys because I'm pretty confident that you understand my point and that your opinions aren't the result of living haphazardly but that you've actually considered it and prefer things this way. I will say that I think the majority of those who support DRM schemes really haven't considered the issue at all, and I'm not so sure that of those people who have considered the DRM issue that you pro-DRM people really are in the majority but of course that's just my slant on the issue and I have nothing to back it up except personal optimism that the average person holds individual ownership rights in higher regard than the majority do here.
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The land analogy isnt that far off, depending on where the land is...
In the ACT, you can own the house, but the land is leased to you by the government.
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same with Thailand but YOU ALL KNEW THAT
I think of entertainment as me paying for something to do with my time. Who owns it doesn't matter to me. That's why I buy books (no English libraries here) and rent DVD's, not because I wouldn't mind owning some DVD's but a book is maybe 25-50 cents per hour of entertainment while a movie is normally $10 per hour. If it's a DVD I'll watch 10 times then I'll buy the movie but not otherwise.
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I bought a commercial box version of Half Life2 with the serial still on the CD case at the thrift store and the fucking thing installed but would not run. Every time I tried to start it it told me I would have to purchase it because the CD key had previously been used. Even if I had bought it new in the store, had it for a while and decided I wanted to install it on a new machine I would have been out of luck. .torrent saved the day and I will never look back. But I did have to download the entire fucking game. The official hard copy was fucking useless.
That's because any game that has an online multi-player component (which HL2 had and still has) requires each user be unique, it allows people to be banned for cheating on servers, it allows for stat-tracking systems to rank users, it is basically required to ensure that the multi player component isn't complete anarchy full of people with pirated copies wall hacking each other like Counterstrike used to be with HL1 back in the day. It wasn't always like this, this system arose because:
1) Widespread piracy of PC Games allows for rampant illegitimate copies of the game.
2) Easy access to illegitimate copies of the game allows people to constantly cheat on game servers ruining the experience of everyone else with no consequences because of #1.
and
3) The companies retaining DRM ownership prevents this kind of tom-fuckery which ruins the in-game experience of their legitimate customers.
Here are the HL2 box requirements:
Official Half-Life 2 Box minimum specs:
* Processor: 1.2 GHz Processor
* OS: Windows, 2000/XP/Me/98
* Graphic card: DirectX 7 level graphics card
* Hard Drive: 4.5 GB
* Memory: 256 MB RAM
* Other: Internet Connection, DVD-ROM Drive
You bought a 2nd-hand copy at a thrift store, which means someone already had used the copy, probably got the CD-Key banned or something, and sold it to the thrift store and bought another copy. This is why I absolutely never buy second hand PC games. When you buy it you own it sure, but when you buy someone else's copy you are additionally purchasing whatever they did in the game in the online system. If they registered the game to their Steam account you can't use it. If they got banned on the multiplayer, you can't play multiplayer.
The scenarios you guys are describing make it sound like PC games are out-of-the-box single player stand alone games, that don't have things like online updates, registration, authentication, multiplayer servers, etc. It hasn't been like this for years. Blizzard made you authenticate Starcraft to play it online and your account was unique -- that was over 10 years ago. I doubt they were the first.
Were we to revert back to the system as you guys seem to want it to be, then playing games online would go back to being a complete clusterfuck of cheating cocksuckers. I'd rather pay per month (like MMOs) or have a forced authentication system (like Valve's Steam or Blizzard's Battle.net) which creates an environment of online play where rules are enforced and competitive play is fair. This is just not possible in the way you guys want it to be. I realize the compromise I make in my own ownership rights in this model, but I much prefer those compromises to gameplay compromises.
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Yeah like I said we're disagreeing at a very fundamental level. No big deal though. Luckily for you your preferred method is in favor currently. I complain but only because that's all I have left.
Well... that and crying about it. :'(
Anyway I'm certainly not going to stop playing games because of this. It's just pushing me more into console gaming.
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I think that if I buy something I should be able to have total possession of it. You guys don't care if it's still partially held by the seller. That's fine. We disagree at a fundamental level.
What is total possession, when any piece of software is just a series of bits stored in the appropriate order on some physical medium?
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Anyway I'm certainly not going to stop playing games because of this. It's just pushing me more into console gaming.
...because there's no Digital Rights Management in console games, huh? :)
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I had questions, not opinions.
I dont suposed anybody knows how to crack my HL2 copy ? I looked around but all crack sites look like "fuck my computer up the ports" sites.
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I think I've covered this repeatedly before, but I want to be able to play the game without internet access and I want to be able to install the game whenever I want to. I don't care about the one game per one machine limit. I only play the game on one machine at a time anyway, and I don't pirate games unless I absolutely can't buy them due to their not being published any more. I absolutely don't want to have to repeatedly go back to a vendor I rely upon to make the game work because game vendors fad away in time and, more importantly, cease support for products that are no longer profitable to them.
Total possession of a game for me would be the kind of ownership that allows me to operate independently from the vendor of whom I have no interest from the moment I leave his store. It's such a simple concept. That's the way the rest of every single purchase you ever make happens (except rentals which aren't really purchases). When you buy a car you never have to go back to the dealer. Ever. Even if they offer free upgrades. Even if they go out of business. The buyer is his own master in that scenario. The same thing happens with console gaming. I can only speak about Nintendo and PlayStation (since I'm anti-Xbox), but after you buy a game from the store shelf you can bring it home to your internet-free cave or highway underpass and you can play the game there. You never have to contact Nintendo or Sony, and if both Nintendo and Sony were to self-destruct, well you could still play the game anyway. That's total possession. With Steam you have a glorified rental system. The real issue is that they don't allow gamers to buy games any more - only parts of games. That's the definition of non-total possession to me.
Is that somewhat clearer?
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>>The scenarios you guys are describing make it sound like PC games are out-of-the-box single player stand alone games,<<
But I only wanted it for the SP stand alone portion. I almost never play anything online.
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But I only wanted it for the SP stand alone portion.
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But I only wanted it for the SP stand alone portion.
I'd also be happy if they released two versions. An online version with paid subscriptions or whatever and an offline version capable of sole possession by the consumer. The online version may as well feature exclusive content and be obtainable only through DRM services. I just want sole possession of a single-player version.
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I think I've covered this repeatedly before, but I want to be able to play the game without internet access and I want to be able to install the game whenever I want to.
...
after you buy a game from the store shelf you can bring it home to your internet-free cave or highway underpass and you can play the game there. You never have to contact Nintendo or Sony, and if both Nintendo and Sony were to self-destruct, well you could still play the game anyway.
Having to go online to use something you bought at a store is fucking bullshit. I haven't bothered hooking my PS3 up online yet, and I'm gonna be really pissed off if the impetus to finally get around to doing that is some bullshit thing like a new game won't play unless I download something.
Get ready for it. System updates come out on a regular basis for the PS3. Hell, you're probably well over a major version behind, at this point.
The PS3 was designed to be launched low and upgraded over time. You should check out some of the wacky shit your system could do!
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>>The scenarios you guys are describing make it sound like PC games are out-of-the-box single player stand alone games,<<
But I only wanted it for the SP stand alone portion. I almost never play anything online.
But whether you want it or not, it has a MP portion. Hence the system.
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Get ready for it. System updates come out on a regular basis for the PS3. Hell, you're probably well over a major version behind, at this point.
The PS3 was designed to be launched low and upgraded over time. You should check out some of the wacky shit your system could do!
Somehow this bothers me less than if the only way you could play a game was if you hooked up to the internet and got permission from Papa Sony.
Are they charging for upgrades? Do you have to register and log into an account on their servers?
Or are these upgrades free for all?
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No idea mate, I still haven't hooked the thing up!
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I had questions, not opinions.
I dont suposed anybody knows how to crack my HL2 copy ? I looked around but all crack sites look like "fuck my computer up the ports" sites.
http://search.gamecopyworld.com:9999/data/gcw.shtml?search=half+life+2&sa=Search (http://search.gamecopyworld.com:9999/data/gcw.shtml?search=half+life+2&sa=Search)
Edit: Actually http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_half-life_2.shtml (http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games/pc_half-life_2.shtml) this one, specifically, would probably be more helpful.
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" Keep in mind that the files listed on this page do NOT circumvent the STEAM online activation/authentication! "
That answers that.
Thank you.
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Oh shit, that's right. I forgot what assholes they were with that. Hmm.
Yeah, if I remember right you can play the game with a crack, but it'll crash halfway through or something. I bought a copy so it wasn't a problem for me.
That's why I like consoles better. I bought a cheap used copy of the Orange Box for the 360 and didn't have to worry about any of that shit.
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~chuckle
I bought a copy too ! 2nd hand.
I blame the seller.
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Are they charging for upgrades? Do you have to register and log into an account on their servers?
Or are these upgrades free for all?
free upgrades, no accounts required (except for the local, non-internet one which you create).
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~chuckle
I bought a copy too ! 2nd hand.
I blame the seller.
You know, I bet if you called Valve tech support or something they would probably accomodate you, somehow. But they'd probably make you mail your copy of the game in, though, dunno.
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You need a receipt or some kinda peice of paper, i looked it up. You have to prove you are the original buyer.
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You know what's fucked up. I actually have a free copy of HL2 I can give away, because I purchased HL2 when it first came out and I purchased the Orange Box a year later to play TF2 so I have an extra copy (Steam gives you an extra copy to give away).
Joe if you want it you can have it (I've had this gift pass for over a year and a half and haven't used it so no one else is going to want it). Just give me your email address and I can send you the Steam gift, you should be able to authenticate it and play it (it's full legit version of HL2).
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sweet. you sure it don't void (date)
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positive
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check yo email
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dude, its yahoo. fucking thing almost rapes me when something comes in.
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The only console we have is a Wii and for everything else we use the good ol' PC. Currently I'm actually addicted to Okami. It's hard enough that I can work out what to do and feel good about myself but not so hard that I'm struggling all the time. And where I do struggle (usually in the fighting), I can call on help... Because I'm a cheater at heart.
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I'll make you feel good, if you promise to struggle.
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The only console we have is a Wii and for everything else we use the good ol' PC. Currently I'm actually addicted to Okami. It's hard enough that I can work out what to do and feel good about myself but not so hard that I'm struggling all the time. And where I do struggle (usually in the fighting), I can call on help... Because I'm a cheater at heart.
Okami is awesome. Well... I haven't yet played on the Wii but I loved it on the PS2. I rented and beat it like three times for that console.
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My girl and I bought a Wii together, I let her keep at it her place the majority of the time cause I'm always gaming on my PC.
She really loves the Wii Zelda game and Okami both.
I think my favorite Wii game was Super Mario Galaxy. It wasn't particularly hard or revolutionary, but it was mind-blowing the kind of stuff you can do with the gravity system and flying from planet to planet, etc. It was fun.
Also Rock Band rules. We don't have the parts now though because she didn't have room to haul it to the East Coast.
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I think I've covered this repeatedly before, but I want to be able to play the game without internet access and I want to be able to install the game whenever I want to.
You can play without internet access. Well it worked with Audiosurf at the very least.
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I don't know much about Audiosurf except for the game concept. If you can buy Audiosurf and install it on an internetless computer then that's great.
Unfortunately that's not possible with an annoyingly increasing number of games.
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I don't know much about Audiosurf except for the game concept. If you can buy Audiosurf and install it on an internetless computer then that's great.
Unfortunately that's not possible with an annoyingly increasing number of games.
I doubt you can install it without internet. I was talking about playing it.
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I think my favorite Wii game was Super Mario Galaxy. It wasn't particularly hard or revolutionary, but it was mind-blowing the kind of stuff you can do with the gravity system and flying from planet to planet, etc. It was fun.
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This is fucking funny:
Florida teen finds rocks in Nintendo DS box
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/florida-teen-finds-rocks-in-nintendo-ds-box/1308945 (http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/florida-teen-finds-rocks-in-nintendo-ds-box/1308945)
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This is fucking funny:
Florida teen finds rocks in Nintendo DS box
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/florida-teen-finds-rocks-in-nintendo-ds-box/1308945 (http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/florida-teen-finds-rocks-in-nintendo-ds-box/1308945)
Earlier this month, a PSP system bought at a different Wal-Mart store in Florida was found to contain a memory stick filled with pornographic images.
I almost wish we had a Walmart.
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What you need more porn ?
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What you need more porn ?
name me one person who doesn't. A real person.
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Me.
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This is fucking funny:
Florida teen finds rocks in Nintendo DS box
http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/florida-teen-finds-rocks-in-nintendo-ds-box/1308945 (http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/florida-teen-finds-rocks-in-nintendo-ds-box/1308945)
That is fucking hilarious.
This especially:
Amazingly enough, however, Wal-Mart soon caved after learning that the same box of rocks had been previously returned by another disgruntled customer. How exactly it made it back onto store shelves remains a mystery, but for her troubles, Wykle was given a full refund and a $20 gift card.
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Syndicate from bullfrog back in '93. I loved it even though I didn't have a box that could play it at full speed. Now I have the Box I will go back and play it some day.
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Oh man, Syndicate. I never ended up beating that game for some reason, I don't remember why. I loved juicing my guys up and doing drive-bys with flamethrowers, though.
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Because it was fucking hard ! I thought it was anyway.
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It's not the first time Wal-Mart has gotten into hot water for selling a questionable handheld. Earlier this month, a PSP system bought at a different Wal-Mart store in Florida was found to contain a memory stick filled with pornographic images.
That would be a pleasant surprise. That shit never happens to me :(
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Freshly skinned:
(http://f.imagehost.org/0660/065050.jpg)
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Nice!
I got a PSP-3000 for my mom, for Mother's Day, because she said her PSP Slim was getting hard to see. The PSP-3000 has a much brighter screen, and she's very pleased with it.
I took the old PSP Slim from her, flashed custom firmware, and have Gameboy Advance, Super Nintendo, and Genesis emulators running on it now!
I'm also in the process of ripping a few PSP games to ISO, and you can APPARENTLY have some success with converting straight PS1 games into PSP ROMs (I had trouble with it last night, though).
Shortly, I will have every form of emulated gaming enjoyment possible, in a portable fashion!
(there's even a PSP emulator for C64, Mosh!)
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Skinned?
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stickers for the Wii.
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I, uh... why?
I keep my PS3 clean cuz it's pretty and shiny and space-age-lookin'. But why put stickers on something like that?
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It pimps it out mothefucker!
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If you had a car, you'd put a huge spoiler and a shitload of graphics on it, wouldn't you?
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Nah man, I'd want like a completely black sleek car.
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Nice!
I got a PSP-3000 for my mom, for Mother's Day, because she said her PSP Slim was getting hard to see. The PSP-3000 has a much brighter screen, and she's very pleased with it.
I took the old PSP Slim from her, flashed custom firmware, and have Gameboy Advance, Super Nintendo, and Genesis emulators running on it now!
I'm also in the process of ripping a few PSP games to ISO, and you can APPARENTLY have some success with converting straight PS1 games into PSP ROMs (I had trouble with it last night, though).
Shortly, I will have every form of emulated gaming enjoyment possible, in a portable fashion!
(there's even a PSP emulator for C64, Mosh!)
Bring this with you to Japan.
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what if it was a car made by nintendo?
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Black cars are a bitch to keep clean.
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Bring this with you to Japan.
I was planning on it already, but why? Do you just want to play with it?
If so, I can tell you what to shop for, and how to do the firmware stuff. It was all relatively easy, with some good instructions online.
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what if it was a car made by Nintendo?
I'd spend my life savings on it. Which is nothing.
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Bring this with you to Japan.
I was planning on it already, but why? Do you just want to play with it?
If so, I can tell you what to shop for, and how to do the firmware stuff. It was all relatively easy, with some good instructions online.
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lets do this
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Last night was dismal failure on the PS1 emulation front.
But then today, I downgraded to 3.71, tried a different ISO ripper, and voila - success! I've even been able to go back up to the 5.00 firmware!
The PS1 games can sometimes have weird little lags, and can sometimes take longer to get past black screens than I'd expect. But I'm okay with that.
I've currently only ripped a few single-disc games. Apparently, I can make multi-disc games too. I'll let you know if that works out!
multi-disc works fine.
I only have about 1/3 of my collection left to rip, and then i'll have the perfect portable gaming device!
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You NEED EA Sports NHL '98.
And if you happen to be a Broncos fan (for whatever reason), I highly recommend 989 Sports Gameday '99. Elways was AWESOME in that game. TD too.
BTW, major points to whoever can tell me WTF I mean by TD there.
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Tower Defence ?
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Tower Defence ?
http://www.popcap.com/games/pvz (http://www.popcap.com/games/pvz)
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PS1? Return Fire is a fucking spectacular early PS1 game.
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I'm mostly an RPGer, so it's FF7-9, Tactics, Origins, Anthology, Chronicles...
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Tower Defence ?
Terrell Davis Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTza50UcbGo&feature=related#lq-lq2-hq)
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I got sucked back into WoW for the 18th time just recently.
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I've also been playing lots of solitaire and random games on my iPod touch, it's a lot of fun.
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I got sucked back into WoW for the 18th time just recently.
I know someone that works at Blizzard.
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I played WoW and thought it was a load of boring-ass rubbish.
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....then you tripped on cough syrup for another 9 hours and 49 minutes.
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Results from weekend:
1200 mAh battery lasts significantly longer playing emulators (SNES) than playing PS1 or PSP ISOs. The PSP predicted 5 hours of battery life, and I got about 3 playing Final Fantasy 9. The PSP also predicted 5 hours of battery life (after recharge) and then predicted a little more than 4 hours of battery life after 2 hours of SNES emulation.
I think it may have something to do with having to go to the memory card all of the time for the PSP/PS1 games.
Anyway, I just ordered the 2200 mAh battery online. Would you believe that it's backordered @ sony's site, but it (sony-branded, not an OEM ripoff) is available at a number of upstanding vendors across the internet?
crazy. I'm getting it on Tuesday. :)
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The last game I played was Mass Effect. I really liked it.
But for having invested like 24 hours in it, I was disappointed that I still didn't manage to complete all of the sidequests.
Now I won't touch my xbox 360 again until I can get FEAR 2 for $20 or less.
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You won't touch it, even when my community game comes out?
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i just got okami for my wii and i can't stop playing it. hence me not being around for like three days. also, my husband has been an internet hog.
before that i rented dead rising chip til you drop. awesome good fun if you like killing zombies. really stupid ending, though. looking forward to the next one.
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i just got okami for my wii and i can't stop playing it. hence me not being around for like three days. also, my husband has been an internet hog.
before that i rented dead rising chip til you drop. awesome good fun if you like killing zombies. really stupid ending, though. looking forward to the next one.
I got Okami for my girlfriend for christmas she loves it. That and Zelda. Girls love those fucking games.
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I got sucked back into WoW for the 18th time just recently.
I'd probably be one of those people that get crazy addicted to that game but hell no am I paying per month.
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I got sucked back into WoW for the 18th time just recently.
I'd probably be one of those people that get crazy addicted to that game but hell no am I paying per month.
It all started with Warcraft II back in 94. It's been all downhill since then. The amount of time in my life I've contributed to Blizzard Entertainment since that fateful year I shudder to imagine.
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The last game I played was Mass Effect. I really liked it.
Played it on the PC, and I dug it too.
PRO TIP: Don't delete your save game information, Mass Effect 2 will use it to tailor the story line to you.
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Warcraft 2 was so fucking cool.
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The last game I played was Mass Effect. I really liked it.
But for having invested like 24 hours in it, I was disappointed that I still didn't manage to complete all of the sidequests.
Now I won't touch my xbox 360 again until I can get FEAR 2 for $20 or less.
Last week I bought Mass Effect and Rock Band on the cheap from a guy onliine. I played Mass Effect already when I rented it from Gamefly, and I put a hell of a lot more than 24 hours into it (I got the bonus "N7"gamerpic for beating it on insanity difficulty) but it's been awhile and I want to play it again now, and probably the DLC too.
And yesterday I looked at some of the songs on Rock Band and god damn am I gonna love that game more than Guitar Hero.
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yeah, rock band is mega fun.
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That sucks.
You know what else sucks? B.C. Rich Warbeast only works with Playstation, not 360. So Lame.
(http://www.techblogs.it/hitech/dream.jpg)
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Anybody ever play the Google Earth games ?
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Like finding your house/cars? Yeah.
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Nope like this
http://www.gewar.net/ (http://www.gewar.net/)
Meant to be some kind of MMO WoW type thing.
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That sucks.
You know what else sucks? B.C. Rich Warbeast only works with Playstation, not 360. So Lame.
(http://www.techblogs.it/hitech/dream.jpg)
That's pretty cool. I have the Black Gibson Les Paul that cae with Guitar Hero 3.
(http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=4067448)
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I downloaded and tried Sims 3. It's way more in depth and enjoyable than the previous versions. Just in case any of you are fans of the other versions, I'll recommend it highly for you. If you hated The Sims before, you'll hate the new one even more.
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I can't sit and play the Sims for more than 15 minutes without realizing that I'm sacrificing my own hierarchy of needs and failing to plan out my life in order to do so for a fictional representation of myself.
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I tried sims for about 5 minutes on the nintendo 64. I don't know which one it was but this after everyone went crazy about it and the game was, in my opinion, absolute rubbish. Can't believe people like it but oh well...
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I'd say that any crossover games made for the N64 was monumentally worse than the originals.
I'd welcome being challenged - just remember, a crossover game is one which appeared on other platforms (PC, PS1, etc) at the same time.
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Do they have branded keyboards for the consoles yet ? I was expecting them to become mini pc ( proper os ) ages ago.
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I tried sims for about 5 minutes on the nintendo 64. I don't know which one it was but this after everyone went crazy about it and the game was, in my opinion, absolute rubbish. Can't believe people like it but oh well...
Are you fucking serious? The ported The Sims to N64? That must have been a HORRIBLE game.
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Are you fucking serious? The ported The Sims to N64? That must have been a HORRIBLE game.
No. I'm not. It was an elaborate joke of mine. ha. ha. ha.
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Blast!
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Mike's Hard Lemonade with a hint of bacon cheeseburger?
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Do they have branded keyboards for the consoles yet ? I was expecting them to become mini pc ( proper os ) ages ago.
Microsoft was edging toward that between the original xbox and the 360, then suddenly backed the hell off of it. Probably bad reactions in focus groups or something. Imagine if your xbox 360 got a virus or something.
Or more likely they realized that the biggest gaming demographic are casual gamers, who don't want their console to work like a PC.
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I was playing Sims 3 all night....I hate how addicting that game is. Now I have Metroid Prime 3. I may not be posting as often.
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I played Metroid Prime 3: Corruption for a few hours and my conclusion is.....it's pretty awesome. I'm glad that if they were gonna totally get rid of the feel of the 2D Metroids that they decided to make it more fun and playable than previous Prime versions.
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The near future might be disastrous for my ability to stay away from video games: Bioshock 2 & Mass Effect 2 are both on the horizon.
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Diablo II will end my association with the outside world for a while
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CG : Ghost Recon. SO far it seems decent.
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Is anybody else here a Smash Bros fan? I've been looking for new similar games to get my fix. I just bought DreamMix TV for the Gamecube, but does anyone know of anything for the Wii that has Smash Bros game dynamics?
Oh and:
what if it was a car made by Nintendo?
I'd spend my life savings on it. Which is nothing.
Haha. Me too.
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The near future might be disastrous for my ability to stay away from video games: Bioshock 2 & Mass Effect 2 are both on the horizon.
As soon as they crack Mass Effect 2 I'm in.
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I played Dead Space recently and was surprised at how good it was. I even turned around and played it again on impossible mode for a few levels before finally getting bored with it. Played Resident Evil 5 rght before that and got more into it than I thought I would. Once you get used to the playstyle it's a good game.
Right now I have Ace Combat 6 and Star Wars: The Force Unleashed out from gamefly. Haven't tried the former yet, but the latter looks promising. At the beginning you get to play Darth Vader fighting against an army of wookies.
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I played the Soul Calibur game on the ps3 where you get to play as Vader or his apprentice.
That was kinda cool. I tended to just Force rape choke the shit out of everything.
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Amy would school you at Soul Calibur. I might eke out a win but I'd be out of breath and my hands would hurt and I'd be all agitated for a while.
Needless to say, I don't play Amy at Soul Calibur.
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Perhaps so, but I am a God of Tekken.
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Tekken is awesome. Bryan's the shit.
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I was playing Sims 3 all night....I hate how addicting that game is.
This is pretty cool:
http://aliceandkev.wordpress.com/ (http://aliceandkev.wordpress.com/)
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That is amazing. Especially selflessness.
Edit: read the end, that was so cute.
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This is pretty cool:
http://aliceandkev.wordpress.com/ (http://aliceandkev.wordpress.com/)
Damn, I ended up reading that through to the end in one sitting. It was great.
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Red Dead Redemption owns your face.
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Got a new Video card for fathers day, an ASUS EN9800GT Matrix, Haven't installed it yet. maybe today. Only slightly dated, (08 release date) Should play all of the new DX10 games on my 3.6 ghz dual core without complaint.
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just bought snood for game boy advance. hello 2001!
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That shit is addictive.
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fact. Ive been hooked since 01. taking it on the plane, too
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fact. Ive been hooking since 01. taking it up the ass, too
Shocking!
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Especially feet in my ass... with cake on it.
Try not to salivate too much. That old ticker cant take it
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Mmmmm feetcake...
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I played Alpha Protocol for about an hour and I'm afraid to start it back up again. I fear the titanic vortex of suck will pull me into another shitty dimension.
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In case anyone missed it "Battle Field - Bad Company 2" was awesome!
Just installed "Sniper - Ghost Warrior" Let ya know later how I feel about this.
SNIPER Ghost Warrior - gameplay / sniping / headshot gallery HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-qmUzJLxx4#normal)
Oh yeah finished "Rouge Warrior" recently. I highly recommend it
http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/rogue-warrior-gameplay-pc/335418 (http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/rogue-warrior-gameplay-pc/335418)
Oh btw has anyone been checking out the Jeremiah series on HULU?
http://www.hulu.com/watch/141852/jeremiah-the-long-road-part-1#s-p7-so-i0 (http://www.hulu.com/watch/141852/jeremiah-the-long-road-part-1#s-p7-so-i0)
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Here's a web based mind fuck for you... I have a headache.
http://www.firstpersontetris.com/ (http://www.firstpersontetris.com/)
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I'm looking for a new RPG after playing Vampire Bloodlines to death...
Any suggestions?
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I am terrified that if I buy Starcraft 2, I will do absolutely nothing else for the next month.
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Singularity is good.
http://www.singularity-game.com/#/hub/ (http://www.singularity-game.com/#/hub/)
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Tekken is awesome.
i beat tekken 4 my first day playing and thus opened up all the players for my then boyfriend and his roomie. they were like "whoa. schwiiing!"
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I am terrified that if I buy Starcraft 2, I will do absolutely nothing else for the next month.
It's a fun game. You'll roll your eyes on some of the dialogue, but the way the whole thing hangs together is quite a good time.
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Tekken is awesome.
i beat tekken 4 my first day playing and thus opened up all the players for my then boyfriend and his roomie. they were like "whoa. schwiiing!"
I'm pretty sure I've expressed my vote before at what an awesome lady you are. You remain so!
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I'm looking for a new RPG after playing Vampire Bloodlines to death...
Any suggestions?
Does it need to be retro like Bloodlines? Have you installed the BL content patch that the community put together (I'd assume so).
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yeah, I had to because of the bugginess of the release version, and cos I'm running Win7 64bit. The patches work really well, but they're still a little buggy.
Doesnt have to be retro... just a good RPG is all.
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I've been playing Gothic 3 for weeks now.
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Doesnt have to be retro... just a good RPG is all.
If you're looking for PC RPGs, there aren't many. Mass Effect & Mass Effect 2 seem to have a reasonable story line if you're into Sci Fi. I've heard a lot of positive stuff about Sacred 2, as well, which is Fantasy.
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Wasn't Dragon Age: Origins on PC also? It was okay. And Oblivion.
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Ok I never played Pokeurmom but I thought this was neat:
The Tale of the Creepy Pokemon Hack- DS Retold Version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGtpgD8fgW4&feature=player_embedded#normal)
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Speaking of Youtube and vidja games, a video I made related to gaming recently spiked at 65k views in one day. I was all excited and called up my parents and after a half hour of putting this event in context for them my excitement was all diminished and now my parents think I am wasting too much time on the internets. That's all they talk about when I call them. I agree with them but for entirely different reasons.
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I recently finished Metro 2033 and now I've been playing Arcania and Fallout New Vegas. Fallout NV feels more like an expansion to Fallout 3 than a stand alone game but has a few different monsters slightly improved physics and a different storyline.
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I tried to install a pirate of Fallout NV... I failed, big time.
I really have NO clue as to what im doing... mount run patch I understand these terms... but.. ~sigh.
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METRO 2033 crashed big time about half way through, then I learned even the retail versions were crashing. I tried all the fixes available online and nothing worked so I just left the install for a couple of weeks then bam, it started working again. I think it has something to do with the FFDShow codecs and the intro movie.
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http://www.tripletsandus.com/80s/80s_games/ (http://www.tripletsandus.com/80s/80s_games/)
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Call of Duty Black Ops got a lot of press. I liked it alright, finished it over a week ago. Fairly short, maybe that's why you get to play as a zombie killing JFK after the credit roll.
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Assassin's Creed Brotherhood is awesome.
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Call of Duty Black Ops got a lot of press. I liked it alright, finished it over a week ago. Fairly short, maybe that's why you get to play as a zombie killing JFK after the credit roll.
I just got COD: Black Ops for Christmas. I am in love with the Galil and the PM63. The Famas isn't too shabby in hardcore Team Deathmatch, either.
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Duke Nukem Forever blows goats.
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So does Dragon Age 2 so far. But I could only stomach it for an hour or so before I stopped, and haven't had the will to pick it back up again yet. Been too busy playing with my new Android phone lately, anyway.
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To be fair, there's very little that could have lived up to my expectations for DNF. It's been what, 15 years in the making? The person that Duke 3D was marketed to in 1995 has grown a little more jaded and world-weary in 2011. I give them points for actually finishing the game, but like all updates I can't help but cluck my tongue and stroke my beard. I wasn't a big fan of Doom 3 or Fallout 3 either...
...OK I take that back kind of. Fallout 3 is good if you imagine it's a totally different game. I was really hoping for the Van Buren kind of sequel that they had teased us with but instead we got something that is totally new. Novelty is probably a good thing in the end, but I'll always reserve my right to gripe and gripe.
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I hear LA Noire is rather good... pity I dont own an XBox or PS3... and dont really plan on doing so either.
As for DNF, it's much like The Phantom Menace. Throw all you effort at churning something out, but dont pay much attention to the actual story. It's just an updated DN3D.
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...OK I take that back kind of. Fallout 3 is good if you imagine it's a totally different game. I was really hoping for the Van Buren kind of sequel that they had teased us with but instead we got something that is totally new. Novelty is probably a good thing in the end, but I'll always reserve my right to gripe and gripe.
I liked Fallout 3, but Fallout: New Vegas was a lot better, though a bit more buggy at times. It's the same engine as FO3, if that was your problem, but regarding the atmosphere and themes, it's a lot more "Fallout". It's less inclined toward min/max'ing then FO3 was, also. Not as many skill points per level and fewer perks, getting one every other level instead of every level like FO3. They also borrowed a lot from Van Buren for it, too, like Ceasar's Legion and the expansion of the NCR. Even the DLC is better than FO3's DLC was.
As for Duke Nukem Forever, I never played any of the first DN games, so I have no expectations for it. But it's not in my gamefly queue yet, either. LA Noire sounds interesting in theory, but I've heard that it's largely boring and just a big showoff of technology that no one really wants. Kinda like the Kinect.
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I just played Infamous, which I liked a lot. I'll probably pick up Infamous 2 sometime this fall/winter. I even liked the cut scenes, which is a rarity for me. Usually I either skip them or leave the room to do something else while a cut scene is playing.
I usually like open world games, unless the game play is really fucked up. I also like games that incorporate the RPG-ish element of level up/add skills.
I don't mind Dragon Age 2, but it's not as much fun as I expected after playing Mass Effect 2. The load times bug me.
I bought Uncharted, too, but haven't been able to get into that at all. Too much cinematic garbage and talking.
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I might or might not have a copy of Gran Turismo 5 coming down on Sunday.
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I wouldn't mind trying Infamous if they'd port it to the 360, which they won't. I played Prototype, which is similar, and I really liked it. The game was a lot of fun if for no other reason than grabbing random people down on the street, parkour-running to the top of a skyscraper, then either throwing them away to watch them hilariously fly off into the sunset in WTFville, or eating them and turning into them to run around on street level for a little while. Fun game.
I guess I was the only person in the world disappointed by Mass Effect 2 and its watered-down plot and dumbed-down RPG mechanics. I mean, it had its fun moments, but it was just lacking.
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I liked the story in Mass Effect 1, but thought the game play was pretty clunky - in particular, all the time you had to spend with that stupid rover.
The story in Mass Effect 2 wasn't as good, but the game play was improved. I agree on watering down the RPG elements - I think maybe that's why Dragon Age 2 ended up being not quite as watered down, leaving in ability points. I like the element of Dragon Age 2 that I don't have to try to worry about armor for my companions (since I never use a consistent party), just purchase standard upgrades for everyone.
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Well, I loved the rover, but I have a hell of a lot of free time. I can see how others didn't. And yeah, I guess I have to admit that ME2's gameplay was a bit better, and from what I've seen in the tech demos ME3's is going to be even better, but where ME2 to me played like Gears of Effect, ME3 looks like Mass of Duty. Dunno.
hehe "Mass of Doody."
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Ok, I finally gave up on Dragon Age 2, and I've been playing Minecraft for the last few days and have gotten WAY too much into this damn game. For something so simple, it's addictive as all hell.
I think I've come up with a clever way to mine obsidian on a mass scale. I think I'ma make me a house out of it.
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I think I will add to the argument about FO3 and FO:NV:
Fallout New Vegas is equally good as it is bad. They didn't live up to the revamped content and graphics that I thought they would do, instead, yes, they used the same from FO3. While I liked reminiscing about the olden days of the first Fallout series, the cross references were a bit trite at times and introduced no originality (they even rehashed the old background music). I was expecting Obsidian Entertainment to create waves in the franchise, but they only made a few ripples with this release. And as much as I want to play a character that has melee and hand-to-hand proficiency, it is impossible due to the absolute need for the gun skill in the game. The post-nuclear war aspect of the wasteland seemed scant to me. I honestly thought they would bring back vehicles in this one, but that would probably be overkill.
FO:NV did maintain a versatile storyline. The NPCs seemed well-rounded with the exception of a few. New Vegas also offered something different: the ability to make ammo, which I think they could've limited the guns and increased the upgrades and ammunition varieties.
...OK I take that back kind of. Fallout 3 is good if you imagine it's a totally different game. I was really hoping for the Van Buren kind of sequel that they had teased us with but instead we got something that is totally new. Novelty is probably a good thing in the end, but I'll always reserve my right to gripe and gripe.
I was waiting patiently for Fallout 3 from around 2003 until Black Isle dropped the ball and Bethesda picked it up. I was skeptical that a FPS was taking over and this would be the end to turn-based action, but FO3 blew my socks off. I seriously doubt that Van Buren would have been successful enough to continue the franchise (just look what happened with that piece of shit FO: BOS). Bethesda resuscitated Fallout from the brink of collapse.
For those wondering about the Van Buren edition, there is still this demo video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uuDKrY7eW0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uuDKrY7eW0)
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And as much as I want to play a character that has melee and hand-to-hand proficiency, it is impossible due to the absolute need for the gun skill in the game. The post-nuclear war aspect of the wasteland seemed scant to me.
You, my friend, are absolutely dead wrong. My hardcore mode asshole/Legion character was straight melee and explosives, and I barely ever used the explosives. Give yourself a good, high STR and END, and a simple lead pipe is your lever to move the World, much less my favorite trusty, rusty fireman's axe. They did a lot of work to make melee combat a lot more viable than in FO3, and it worked. I went through the entire Dead Money DLC without even having to get Dog's Ghost People-killer perk because I was severing limbs with every other hit just using a knife spear. Just don't fuck with a Deathclaw in melee combat, you will not win. Well, my character around 25th level could kill one deathclaw, MAYBE two if I got lucky and was pumped full of jet and MED-X, but the ones in FO:NV do not fuck around.
The reason New Vegas was a little sparse on the "nuclear wasteland" aspect was because of the story. House's defense missiles stopped most of the nuclear attack on Nevada, especially around Vegas, so this one's more about desert wasteland then nuclear, really. Not that places like the Nuclear Test Site or Camp Searchlight aren't still dangerous as all fuck.
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I seriously doubt that Van Buren would have been successful enough to continue the franchise (just look what happened with that piece of shit FO: BOS). Bethesda resuscitated Fallout from the brink of collapse.
For those wondering about the Van Buren edition, there is still this demo video on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uuDKrY7eW0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uuDKrY7eW0)
Van Buren wouldn't have interested gamers that had never experienced the original series. Time has turned some of the gamers who were fans of the original series into serious non-gaming adults. So yeah, if they'd released Van Buren today then it would certainly seen more limited a success (if "success" is even the word for it). Of course that's the realistic way of looking at it. Griping has nothing to do with reality, though. I want an isometric-perspective-pseudo-3D-RPG Fallout 3 with 2000-era graphics dammit, not some barely recognizable Fallout game with slick graphics and new controls. Fallout 3 seems more like a spiritual successor of the original series to me than an actual sequel. It's a good game of course, but it's not exactly what I was (selfishly) hoping for.
Van Buren really can't be compared to BOS by any stretch, by the way. The video you linked clearly shows it to be an RPG and not a dungeon-crawler. There's also more left over than just the tech demo. There's an alpha (or really a pre-alpha demo) that was released for Van Buren. I'm pretty sure I got it from No Mutants Allowed 5ish year ago. It plays just like 1/2/Tactics and nothing like BOS.
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www.Worldoftanks.com
That is all.
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I am finding this to be a lot of fun if I have an hour to spare
http://twotowersgames.com/games/rebuild-zombie
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I've been playing Oblivion IV recently, it's very much like Gothic 3, I know it's an old game now but I've played most of the new ones already. DNF sucks. Dead Space 2 is alright but hard.
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Oblivion is one of the handful of games I really got into.
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I started playing GT5 the other day, it's fucking wicked.
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Oblivion is one of the handful of games I really got into.
What was your clan?
I'm Khajiit of course.
Thief/agent
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clan?
yess khajiit! xD I'm something like thief or assassin, i forget.
first time i played it through i was an orc and on morrowind right now i'm a wood elf.
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I guess I should have said race but the other Khajiit often greet me as clan mate.
I was just made a Knight of the White Stallion by Count Marius Caro of Leyawiin yesterday.
Got some pretty good armor in the process too.
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I started playing GT5 the other day, it's fucking wicked.
I've always said that I hated sports games. It goes along with my near-total ignorance of sports. But as time has progressed, my stance has softened in a few areas withing the genre. The most obvious of these subcategories is the racing game. I can't help it really. Racing games are just too fun. The best part for me is often the soundtracks. It's hard to get better soundtracks than in racing games. Of particular note for me have been the TopGear, F-Zero, WipEout series. Others individual titles I like include "N2O: Nitrous Oxide" and "Kinetica". In case you can't tell, I like the sci-fi themed ones best.
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You ever played any of the GT series?
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I hope all sports go the way of horse racing and just become video games played on the screen in bars.
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I hope not!
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Really, you dont want to see women trying to do this while drunk ? Shame on you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23V0PhONNS4
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You ever played any of the GT series?
I haven't yet. My strategy is pretty much just to go to the thrift store and skim up games that interest me for 75 cents. The GT games have not showed up yet. Would you suggest that this is because they're awesome enough that their owners wouldn't ditch them?
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I think that's it exactly. GT has almost infinite replayability, because even if you've won all the races (and that's quite a feat in itself), there's always another car to buy and soup up, and the two player mode is fucking awesome. Online play is probably even cooler, but I've never done that so I can't comment on it.
But it's also one of the best racing simulation games I've ever seen. Real world driving skill is somewhat translatable to skill in the game, and vice versa. I'm convinced that the years I've spent playing GT have made me a better driver.
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Yeah that's what I do but games under a fiver / anything borrowed from my bro.
I guess I should have said race but the other Khajiit often greet me as clan mate.
I was just made a Knight of the White Stallion by Count Marius Caro of Leyawiin yesterday.
Got some pretty good armor in the process too.
Awesome, I havent played in over a month or so. When I did I was closing loads of oblivion gates. It's become a kind of OCD challenge that I don't want to progress with the main quest (I'm right at the end) until I've closed as many as possible. I have Shivering Isles too, but never played it for some reason. I should do that.
My favourite greeting is probably the khajiit in the Dark brotherhood who calls you a housecat.
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LA Noire finally for PC this Friday.
YAY!
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skyrim is out...
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Yea, it's supposed to be pretty good but they say that about all games.
I'm playing RAGE right now. It's a lot of work but not really hard and pretty fun.
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Xbox Live Username: IdidjaMom
I play COD: Modern Warfare 3
friend me.
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I want skyrim very badly, but I'm afraid to buy it because I know how I am with those games.
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I finished RAGE last week. Pissed me off because when it ends you are forced to sit through the credits with no esc option .
There were a dozen side quests I didn't get to. It's a little too easy if you only go for the main quest. And the final battle is basically non-existant. Sure they have hoards of armed mutants with body armor at the end but I had way more than enough ammo.
Didn't ever need the bandages or health provided by the antiseptic formula. I used them a couple of times but just to see how they worked. No idea of what to do with all the plants I collected.
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Started the SP campaign mode in COD MW last Sunday morning on regular difficulty, finished it the same day.
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Hey Nitya, I just got Skyrim and was wondering what race I should pick. I'm leaning to Khajiit again because I'm familiar with the character traits and especially because you don't have to worry about using torches underground while playing.
Have you played any other characters in Oblivion and do they have any especially interesting talents?
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I got Skyrim too. I'm playing as a high elf - I always use magic as my primary weapon in this sort of game. Ice magic and a war hammer when I run out of magicka.
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In Gothic I played as a mage and kicked ass, in oblivion I shunned most magic and went straight physical force.
But was a master with the bow so that was my primary ranged weapon. That along with a highly refined sneak ability.
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Hey Nitya, I just got Skyrim and was wondering what race I should pick. I'm leaning to Khajiit again because I'm familiar with the character traits and especially because you don't have to worry about using torches underground while playing.
Have you played any other characters in Oblivion and do they have any especially interesting talents?
I usually go khajiit cause I want my player to have a high sneak but I like argonians too, played bosmer and a few random ones too. I'm not too helpful, aha, sorry.
Is there no guide? with oblivion there was that big fat manual with the guide for them all, i love those manuals..
[I'm posting here and then literally about to go sit at the computer and play skyrim! ^.^ ]
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Sure, there is a breakdown for all the races but was just wondering what your thoughts were.
I'ma play it today too, but first I must attack my kitchen stove.
Dismantled it last night and left it's ugly bits soaking in a sink full of black water.
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i like most races, i've played as most of them at one point or another.
orcs are good too.
i started with khajiit again this time. so far so good. ^^
aha nice stuff, sounds like a fun afternoon.
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I chose khajiit again as well. (cats are attracted to me for some reason)
But I plan to try using more magic this time.
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I started over as a Dunmer, using single handed swords, alteration & destruction magic, and utilizing sneak more to get into position.
Found the problem with dual wielding spells and using a two-handed weapon was that you really can't change on the fly very well, so there's moments where you're extremely vulnerable while trying to backpedal and switch.
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I guess we are all Dragonborn by now eh? I've killed three dragons so far yet everyone still wants to make a fucking rug out of me!
Hey have you guys had this problem where when you try to search a corpse or read a book or take something you pick it up instead? I mean in games like COD4 you sometimes need to hide the bodies or carry the wounded but this feature seems to be hit and miss in Skyrim and anyway there really is no reason to hide the bodies so why is this happening?
I also had a problem with remapping the keys where the game would forget the key bindings between sessions. But I found If you run it as admin then make the changes they stick. (win 7)
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On the PS3 version, how long you hold the button determines whether you use an item or pick it up.
You can pick up items you don't want to move them out of the way. You also may be able to pick up and drop items while sneaking to draw an enemy's attention - it worked for me the time I tried it, I'll have to experiment more to know if it really works.
Killing dragons has been surprisingly easy. I've had more trouble in some of the dungeon areas with multiple enemies than I have had with dragons.
I hate the way horses work in the game. I bought a horse. It was great for a while, but charged into battle against a really tough enemy and got itself killed. I wish you could park them at a stable or park them at a tree or something, instead of having them follow you constantly. At least in Fallout 3 you could send your dog away so he wouldn't get killed when you were entering a tough fight.
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I bought a horse too. You have to park it far enough away so that it doesn't realize there is a fight, but yeah they have no sense and will charge into battle against any enemy. On at least one occasion I came back to find my horse had killed two bandits and was just standing there like "What?" I guess moving stuff out of the way could have a value.
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Well I finally lost that horse. It disappeared while I was clearing a fort. Never found it's body so it may have just ran off, but usually if it's not dead they show up again the first time you fast travel. In the last episode I had a horse run off and later I found it back at the stable where it came from.
Didn't go to long without one though, I was hired to steal one named Frost along with it's pedigree papers way down in Riften but used persuasion to take it from the guy I stole it for and now it's mine. He had actually bought the horse in a deal that got fucked up so once I persuaded him that I should just keep the horse instead of being paid it actually became my 'sort of legal' property.
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I was reading via the recent posts link and i did not notice the above was in the games thread... I did not notice anything weird about the post until i got to the words 'fast travel'.
Somebody lost a horse ?... oh okay np. Can't find the body ?... sure, that can happen.
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Yeah Emp, Nitya and I are all currently playing Skyrim.
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You also may be able to pick up and drop items while sneaking to draw an enemy's attention - it worked for me the time I tried it, I'll have to experiment more to know if it really works.
The picking stuff up has been useful so far in organising my house (^.^) and in stealing stuff - if theres something i want to steal and they can see me clearly, I move the object to somewhere that I can still pick it up but I'm not in their line of sight.
Didn't go to long without one though, I was hired to steal one named Frost along with it's pedigree papers way down in Riften but used persuasion to take it from the guy I stole it for and now it's mine. He had actually bought the horse in a deal that got fucked up so once I persuaded him that I should just keep the horse instead of being paid it actually became my 'sort of legal' property.
just about to start that quest! aha.
havent bothered getting a horse so far cause theyre too slow and they make fighting wild animals just more effort.
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I wouldn't say they are to slow, They are much faster than walking, they can outrun all the wild animals and they can go some places you just can't go on foot. Like today I stopped of at an old castle and my character couldn't climb the rocks to get up to it, but Frost went right up it with no trouble.
There was a way up by stairs in an attached tower but I like to go the unexpected route when possible. The place is packed jam full of undead and ghosts and I had to quit before I cleared it. There is a phony Imperial officer there camped in the courtyard with orders to find some ancient weapon and he wanted to conscript me to go fetch it. I didn't like that idea so I declined his offer, waited until he went to sleep and stole the key. (and his orders)
Whatever is in there I want for myself. So far just a whole lot of gold and ancient arrows.
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Oh and you're right about picking stuff up Emp, you have to click the mouse fast to take stuff, if you hold it down it picks stuff up until you drop it. One thing I want to try is using a dead body as a shield.
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Yeah but who walks when you can run?
I only used a horse for about 5 minutes, started getting attacked by some wild wolves and couldn't outrun them, it just made it more effort to kill them.
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Well yeah I keep the run key on all the time too except when sneaking. I don't worry about wolves, my horse can take care of them on her own. She even stood her ground against a dragon yesterday and kept it distracted while I shot arrows at it from cover. She survived and provided a valuable service. Shouting at them is a good distraction as well but doesn't seem to do much damage.
You can use the sprint key while mounted Nitya and I haven't seen anything yet she can't outrun. Horses have quite a bit of stamina even though you don't get a bar to indicate it and can keep up the faster sprint pace for a good amount of time.
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Hey speaking of horses, Back in the old west and even in the roman days They tied their horses up risking any sort of attack just so they would know where to find them. For a game that promotes itself as state of the art like Skyrim, where is the option to tie them up? Or make them stay in any way. They will often fight to the death (even when you don't want them involved} when being attacked (one of the best $1000 diversions you could ever ask for) but just as often after being wounded they will take off running and never be seen again.
They could make it so that if you tied them and they were then attacked they could break loose and thus defend themselves in most cases. (algorithms are so cool)
So yeah where is the option to tie them? It should have been a given.
I think I need to speak to the developers of this game.
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Been playing L.A. Noire... it isnt especially hard, but lots of fun to be had fanging 1940's cars around L.A., taking out street furniture and pedestrians.
The atomosphere is very nice too...
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That one looks interesting Mosh. I might try it out next.
Hey Nitya you buy the house in Whiterun? I did last night just so I would have a place to dump all my loot. Seems most of the merchants in this game are really poor. I feel sorry though, my housecarl just sits around all day because I like to work alone. I wanted the house in Riften but I accidentally killed a guard while fighting a dragon. I paid them off to forget it but I still can't get the option to buy there. Ummm yeah and I seem to be engaged to a woman there as well.
Oh one really good thing about owning a horse, when you come limping out of a cave or fortress with 600 pounds of loot and climb up on that bad boy (or girl), is that you can still fast travel!
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You have to do a series of tasks for the Jarl as well as other things for people in Riften to be able to buy the house. I have Riften and Whiterun houses.
The merchants are all relatively poor - you have to spend points in the speech tree to get them to hold more gold. I buy crafting materials from merchants so they'll have more gold, then unload stuff on them. It's generally a net loss in total value, but I'm trying to boost my smithing and enchanting skills rather than get rich.
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I really concentrated on doing the tasks for Riften, I've done most I think for the Jarl and the citizens. (there are still a few side quests in progress) The guards used to ask me if I was looking for a house every time I passed through the gate. They don't anymore though and there are no more jobs from the steward. I just needed a place to store ingredients, weapons and such to get them sorted out so I settled for the one in Whiterun. I joined the Thieves Guild too so maybe that changed things.
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Have you picked a side in the civil war yet? I wonder if that changes anything.
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No I haven't, I've been trying to remain neutral until all the facts are in. But, I was stopped by a group of Imperials recently who tried to shake me down for 100 gold like common bandits. That kind of pissed me off so I attacked one of their prisoner escorts and set the Stormcloak prisoner free. It wasn't a quest, I just spotted them moving along the road and ambushed them.
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>>- you have to spend points in the speech tree to get them to hold more gold. <<
That's a good idea, I've got about 6 skill points and about 5 dragon souls saved up.
I have a lot of spells and scrolls but I still do most of my fighting with the bow and heavily rely on sneak bonus damage.
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Melissa's playing it now ...
The last 2 games have been absolutely beautifully done with the sceneries and characters/monsters ...
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Skyrim.
Wolves carry gold ?
Beggars sleep surrounded by vegetables ?
and nobody seems to get anything done without your help.
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Hahahahaha yep.
But the beggars are spies for the thieves guild and the wolves, well, they eat people who have gold so...
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Question, join the Dark Brotherhood or stamp it out?
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I joined before I decided to restart my character last weekend. You get a lot more gold for joining than you get by destroying them. I think the only reason to wipe them out is if you're actually trying to role play a character and are imagining yourself as "lawful good" or something.
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I was thinking I might miss out on quite a bit by taking them down.
Astrid has already dispatched three assassins to kill me though, (I ran into the first one really early in the game) and I haven't found out why yet.
I read online that there is an old witch woman named Anise or something like that and if you find out she is a witch she attacks you. If you kill her then her sister puts a bounty out on you with the brotherhood, but I haven't killed her. I guess I must have pissed off someone though.
I played a while last night after killing Astrid (saved first of course) and I now think there is more in favor of joining. I like to project onto my character my concepts of right and wrong (role playing) but assassins do fulfill a role as well and some people deserve to die. If I hadn't killed the woman at the orphanage this option might not have presented itself. But I think it was the right thing to do.
All the children seemed to agree.
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what game is this?
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What made you decide to start over Emp? Make a bad decision.
On the Brotherhood question, I went back to a previous save and killed the prisoners but haven't officially joined the Brotherhood yet The deal with the house in Riften has been resolved. Seems I only had to finish off the drug dealers.
Got that out of the way and bought the house there. I think that may be the only building with doors both inside and outside the city walls.
You can only get the best in game horse (Shadowmere) through the Brotherhood quests.
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I've now finished the main quest, the thieves guild quests and dark brotherhood quests... soo my interest in it has sigifnicantly dropped. I'll pick it up again in summer probably.
You can use the sprint key while mounted Nitya and I haven't seen anything yet she can't outrun. Horses have quite a bit of stamina even though you don't get a bar to indicate it and can keep up the faster sprint pace for a good amount of time.
Even on shadowmere I was getting attacked by wolves, sprinting and I couldnt outrun them.
But since i have shadowmere anyway now I may as well use her.
Hey Nitya you buy the house in Whiterun? I did last night just so I would have a place to dump all my loot. Seems most of the merchants in this game are really poor. I feel sorry though, my housecarl just sits around all day because I like to work alone. I wanted the house in Riften but I accidentally killed a guard while fighting a dragon. I paid them off to forget it but I still can't get the option to buy there. Ummm yeah and I seem to be engaged to a woman there as well.
Yeah, Ive bought the one in riften, whiterun, markarth and solitude. I have to admit the houses are better than in oblivion, and by that I mean the bookshelves are cool.
Also I married a girl from markarth.
Have you picked a side in the civil war yet? I wonder if that changes anything.
I joined both sides, which is amusing but I wouldnt advise it. Theres a point in the main quest where you have to talk to both leaders of each side and I couldnt do it cause I'd already got orders from the leaders and I had to finish the quests they'd given me before they'd talk to me... That's the point I was thankful for being on the pc and being able to use console commands.
Question, join the Dark Brotherhood or stamp it out?
Joining is a lot more fun.
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I tend to restart this type of game a few times as I figure out how I want to balance my perks/stats/whatever.
On the previous character, I found that I spent too much on magicka and not enough on health for my play style, so I was going through health potions way too fast. I suppose I could have just put a bunch of levels into health, but I also wanted to redistribute the way I had spent my perks.
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On RAGE I finished the main quest way to soon, so I've been trying to do more of the side quests and basically ignoring the main story this time.
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what game is this?
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The Elder Scrolls V - Skyrim
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Ha this is interesting, but I don't know why. (not about gaming)
I recently heard that if you type Illuminati into a web browser backwards and add .com You'll be surprised.
I tried it, and I was.
itanimulli.com
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New game thoughts, was given Dead Island yesterday. pretty fun but dam annoying interface.
Everyone speaks with an Australian accent and the drivers seat is on the WRONG SIDE! Hahahaha
Game reminds me of some of you guys. Oh I'm playing as Purna, a half aborigine former Sydney police officer who is an expert with firearms.
(http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/wiki-api.ign.com/dead-island/thumb/9/99/Di_char_purna_3000.jpg/228px-Di_char_purna_3000.jpg)
She is hard to start out with because there are almost no firearms or ammo in this game.
Another really annoying thing about this game is that items such as crowbars wear out and break in very short order. At least in Half-Life you could always depend on your crowbar. Once an item breaks you can still bash zombies with it, but it causes almost no damage.
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Oh one more thing, Megavideo has been seized by the feds and online sources for TV shows, movies and other downloads (including games) are drying up at warp speed. If you were wanting to download anything better do it soon.
(http://www.megavideo.com/banner.jpg)
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Yeah, that just sucks because I was catching up on The Big Bang Theory via MegaVideo.Com ...
On another side, Melissa has a saying for her stopping Elder Scrolls for the night ...
"From Skyrim to my rim!"
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Dead Island on the PC has a serious bug. Occasionally at random the character goes into no-clip mode.
Now I've read that this can be done on purpose but I'm not sure. The problem isn't the no-clip that would be half cool on it's own. Twice this has happened since I started. The problem is that when it happens and you try to reload the last check point or even just quit and restart it resets the player level to 1 and leaves you with zero inventory but places you back into the same high level battle area where the glitch occurred.
Your finished quests remain done.
The first time I was close to the start of the game and just kept playing until I got back to a respectable level, this time I was hell a ways into the game with an arsenal of modded weapons almost $20,000 and carrying numerous quest items. There is no way for me to continue from here, my character at level 1 doesn't have enough life, stamina and bonus perks to fight even one fucking zombie in this area, even if I could find new weapons. And the weapon mods and best weapons almost all come from the NPC's when you finish their quests. So it's pretty fucked up now.
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Ah, sort of figured it out. Turns out the "Y" key erroneously put the game into a strange no-clip mode. One where all other characters and inventory objects are non existent. If I had known about this I wouldn't have had to start over. So, the problem is with the interaction of the checkpoint save and auto save system with the strange toggle behavior of the "Y" key. (which sometimes gets pressed by accident) Every time you exit the game it overwrites the current save game with the current state. You only get one.
I interpreted the no-clip state as a game crash but it's really just an artifact. One which actually could allow you to cheat at will because it temporarily takes the monsters away and allows you to move to a more strategic location then resume. It only fucks you over if it gets saved while in that state.
Zooming around the island to explore could trigger an automatic save if you visit a checkpoint location.
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I'm nearly to level 50 on Skyrim and working on taking over the thieves guild. I'll eventually play the main story line, I guess. That's the only guild I haven't completed the story line for.
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I accidentally came up against Alduin before I was ready. I might have been able to win but that is basically the end of the main story line. So I went back to a previous save and took a different path. I don't remember what level I'm at exactly but I'm working on the side quests as well.
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I haven't played for a few days because I've been checking out Dead Island which is pretty fun.
I think we are currently on the same path, I'm at level 42 and just became a Nightingale.
Glad I didn't kill Karlia.
On our way to take care of Mercer. ( I also have Illia as follower and can pick up that invincible dog Barbas if I need him) I sent him back to his masters cave because I can't sneak at all with him along and he keeps pushing me around. Great to have in a fight though, the reason I almost, but didn't quite finish his quest.
I took Meeko to my house in Riften told him to wait, he stayed there a long time but I guess he went back to the shack.
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Yeah, that just sucks because I was catching up on The Big Bang Theory via MegaVideo.Com ...
On another side, Melissa has a saying for her stopping Elder Scrolls for the night ...
"From Skyrim to my rim!"
I use Tube Plus (http://www.tubeplus.me/), they have The Big Bang and most all current series available. I never watch streaming anymore. There is a neat way of downloading the episodes that I'll outline for you. First you need Ad Block Plus installed and second you need a good download manager, I use IDM.
Ok select a series and episode you want to watch and click ABP, select show blockable items. Then in the ABP search bar enter "flv". Most all online streams are in flv format. Next start the stream. When the movie starts to play a link will appear in the ABP window. Simply copy the link and paste it into IDM.
When choosing a server to stream from I prefer Putlocker or Videoweed, stuff downloads fast from these sites. Done.
The episode or movie will fully download in just a very few minutes and you can watch it whenever you like with no pauses, interruptions or sound sync issues. I can download a dozen shows this way in under 30 minutes. I just downloaded all the new cartoon episodes which I'll watch later. After watching I just delete them. I use the VLC player to watch flv's, I've been using VLC player long before it became fashionable, actually since it first became available several years ago.
Ever watch Archer? That show cracks me up.
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I got a new Plus 4 yesterday, new old stock by the look of it, and I been playing 1980's home computer games like crazy since.
Ohhhhh yeeeeah!
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You have the disk drive for it too then?
The Plus 4 was the first computer I ever had.
Got it as a give away gift for attending a real estate seminar.
Nice little machines at the time.
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I'll check in on that link ...
Thanks!
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I know you'll get a lot of use out of Tube+. But if you get bored there you might try one of these.
http://www.extramina.in/ (http://www.extramina.in/)
http://tv.blinkx.com/ (http://tv.blinkx.com/)
http://www.alluc.org/ (http://www.alluc.org/)
Extramina changes the offering on their home page very often so you see something different on their first page every day. Mostly just movie links there though some are series.
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I have another problem with Dead Island that really pisses me off.
I'm at a spot where I have to escort a tribal shaman to a location. He doesn't even try to avoid conflict but has little life. That's not the real problem, the real problem is that once he forces you into conflict with a hoard of zombies the chances of surviving are fairly slim for him and you. Once he has been killed you have to start from the save point the game gives you. Here is where the real problem lays, all of the fucking monsters are back at full strength, but any ammo or resources you expended in the first try are gone for good and the condition of whatever weapons you have with remains deteriorated from the previous fight.
So, you get to try to fight all the zombies over with no ammo and useless broken weapons. After a couple of tries you can forget it. You will never be able to save his sorry ass.
Too bad the save system sucks so much ass in this game because it really is pretty fun to play.
Not fun to be forced to start all over again at the very beginning when you're already 80% finished.
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I hate games where you're not free to save whenever/where ever you want. I'm glad most games have moved away from that.
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CheckPoints suck!
PS: Thanks, Tru!
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CheckPoints suck!
PS: Thanks, Tru!
I just hope it lasts long enough for you to get some use from it.
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So far, it's holding ...
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So far, it's holding ...
I've noticed a lot of links moving to different embedded players. I've seen a lot more .avi and .mp4 extensions recently. Sometimes IDM just grabs the link and starts downloading it on some embedded divx players when it has these endings. But not always, so, you might need to try those search terms if no link appears on a show you really want.
I still get about 95% of whatever I want so far. It looks like things are migrating a bit. I hope they haven't caught onto us. I've been downloading almost everything that is supposed to be only streaming for over two years now, with no subscriptions.
They will surely catch on eventually.
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You have the disk drive for it too then?
The Plus 4 was the first computer I ever had.
Got it as a give away gift for attending a real estate seminar.
Nice little machines at the time.
No, those 1551 drives are rare as hens teeth, and expensive to ship from Europe, which is the only place I see them for sale.
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I have one but I haven't seen it in over ten years.
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Mpm7Ov1fYf0/T0kXZNttPOI/AAAAAAAAVng/YYtIuqNfTKM/w350/Chuck+Norris.gif)
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My niece got me Skyrim as a christmas gift. Her grandmother payed for it but she wrapped it and put in a little handwritten note that said "I OVE you uncle Johnny and I hope you like this game a lot and play it EVERY DAY." I played it for a little over a month. Made like, twelve different characters I think, I'd get to around level 15 or so (35 with two of them) and decide there was something about the character's build that I didn't like, and start over. I finally got kinda burned out on it and played through Mass Effect 1 and 2 getting a Sentinel character ready to import into Mass Effect 3, which I pre-ordered.
While waiting for its release I finally got around to playing the Metal Gear Solid SoL/Snake Eater/Peace Walker combo that I bought awhile back. I finished Sons of Liberty pretty quickly (the controls worked better on my Xbox 360 than I thought they would) and got a little ways into Snake Eater when ME3 finally shipped. I've been playing it fora f ew days now, and it's fairly good. It's a somewhat-well-put-together game, and the missions are mostly interesting, but I don't get any foreboding sense of "Oh shit the universe is about to end" that I would think I'd be getting, considering the Reapers are currently landing on half the planets in the goddamn galaxy and erasing all sentient life. Maybe it'll show up later. Right now it just feels like I'm hopping around the galaxy running errands for people and checking on my military strength readout every so often to see if I'm keeping it up enough to get the good ending. Having fun using biotics to throw enemies up against a wall then run up and finish them off with a shotgun, though.
I was going to add something else but it probably belongs in another thread. I'll go look for an appropriate one now.
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This place is scam central (http://www.anti-social.com/?fp=jIHg5N3xUfUeugO7gGQn5xunRGJErR%2BaUKK5blsz7ZbdpEno5%2BltvaL4lRt5oa%2BXoq%2B%2FzA3%2BpOqKZVtBe%2FdlmQ%3D%3D&prvtof=FRnt%2FG83iTD7BB9d3rp6NL33jEutpbfa8WW6yalaL20%3D&poru=I2CwYu2bdGlz9KpPpZxRGNt3oNZ3GvOAucKQ6Emzw4AMzbU2qDmj6YyPTnHJJTe%2B&). Every link on there leads to one or another useless bullshit internet scam.
What a sad sad thing.
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It's a parked domain ...
... what's what they do with parked domains
... it's still sad though
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I have one but I haven't seen it in over ten years.
I think at some point you should start saying 'I used to have one, ten years ago'.
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Oh umm no, I still have it. Its here somewhere. LOL
I can put my hand on a Commodore +4 from where I'm sitting. I have two of those.
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Fuck, someone hold Mosh back ....
... DAMAGE CONTROL, PEOPLE!
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Oh god, now I see why people are so up in arms about the Mass Effect 3 ending. It's indescribably idiotic. I mean, literally, it's so stupid I can't describe it.
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I'm not even going to buy it until they come out with some DLC and I read that they've done something to actually wrap the story up.
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Bioware's gone on record saying that any DLC will be set "during or before" the events of ME3, so that means no alternate ending. Then again whatever this DLC is, they're being really tight-lipped about it, so who knows, they might be full of shit.
I mean, I enjoyed the game, and I love the multiplayer (maybe even more than the singleplayer) but there were SO many things wrong with that ending. I mean, just logically. though I did read the infamous "Indoctrination Theory" on the ending and it does make a lot of sense, though I don't really think that Bioware's smart enough to have actually done that.
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If the theory is better than what they appear to have offered (and what seems to be a popular sort of ending these days - i.e. just shit the bed instead of writing a coherent ending), then they'd be wise to jump on it.
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I haven't played ME3 but have a torrent link for it , is it even worth installing?
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Every review I've read so far says it's good, other than the crappy ending.
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Syndicate is almost too hard to be enjoyable.
Syndicate Announce Trailer (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewwtznVkSxA#)
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I haven't played ME3 but have a torrent link for it , is it even worth installing?
The game itself is good, just the ending is horrible. If you liked ME2, it's pretty much the same gameplay but with more skill/power levels. And the Multiplayer is pretty good, though there's no PVP in it yet, just four-man co-op, but I'm having a lot of fun with it so far.
And they have these little weekend events, like last weekend was the "Brute Offensive" or whatever, where if all the players combines killed 1,000 000 Brutes, then everyone in the game got a special "Victory Pack" equipment pack, and if your squad beat a Reaper faction on silver difficulty, all the members of your squad got a "Commendation Pack". Special weapons and such. and since the Brute event was successful, for the rest of this week when you fight the Reaper Faction, there were less brutes, presumably because you killed so many during the event. Neat stuff.
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Hahahaha my cats just knocked this game down from somewhere.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/Shockwave_Assault_Coverart.png)
Shockwave Assault on Sony Playstation PS1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpSTY0a4Dk8#)
I remember buying this game a lifetime ago but at the time my PC wasn't able to play it smoothly so it got tucked away. This box has been floating around here for decades!
I wonder if it can even run on what we have now. The only thing I remember about it is that when in space to navigate you have to point your ship in the right direction and boost.
Your ship doesn't "fly" it acts more like a satellite.
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Or maybe it was mantis I was thinking of that required momentum based tactics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XF5700_Mantis. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XF5700_Mantis.)
http://www.mobygames.com/game/xf5700-mantis-experimental-fighter (http://www.mobygames.com/game/xf5700-mantis-experimental-fighter)
I still have this game in a box somewhere. I bet it's on 3.5" floppies.
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So far, it's holding ...
Hey Thrash if you get that "Missing Codec" bullshit on Tube+ just scroll down and there is an x to close the overlay. I tried everyway from sunday to block that crap but haven't found a way yet.
The fact that you can close it and then continue on to watch the movie proves the codec crap is just a way to try and force you to buy a paid subscription.