at my old school the forms were named after nobel prize winners.
I was in form F, Flemming.
I'd laugh if they made a form O now.

So ok let's take this from the top:
The wars in pakistan and afghanistan are the ones we should have been fighting all along to get osama, so that's a moot point.
It's bush's fault we got into such a cluster fuck there anyway.
Let's see, um, the iraq war is coming closer than ever to a close, and that's what the nobel prize committee was probably trying to reward ultimately.
Limbaugh, hannity, beck and oreily are the only ones crying crocodile tears about the fact that gitmo can't close down.

That's such a joke coming from them, honestly.
Republicans are the ones blocking the transfer of these prisoners to the maximum security penitentiaries so how is that obama's mess?
Obama's policy regarding iraq is also clearly justified.
Look at the concessions he just got from them like a week and a half ago to allow inspectors into their facilities.
Like bush could have done that even if he'd have tried...
I can't think of a better candidate for the peace prize than someone who actually negotiates with those who threaten us in these difficult times.
No idea what you're talking about raping a school girl... zuh?
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I disagree completely.  Iraq is nowhere near over, we've built an occupier's palace and still employ mercenaries in country.  At best, we've won temporary concessions from warring parties because it's in their best interest to rebuild their strength when the US is offering weapons & financing.

We're occupying Afghanistan and propping up a corrupt government.  And talking about escalating - which does absolutely nothing to stop Al Queda.  If anyone cared about stopping Osama, they'd be chasing the money back into Saudi Arabia, not continuing a policy where we bomb civilians with drones. 

Iran really didn't make much of a concession.  Certainly not the concessions that US was demanding.  And Iran previously offered the Bush administration an even bigger concession than what was recently agreed to (which is essentially nothing, since they let the IAEA into their other facility already and likely would have with the new one too), which Bush was too stubborn to accept, so the point about Bush not being able to do it is moot.  And frankly, Iran was not a threat to the US.  Israel maybe, but Iran was not ever going to launch a nuke at the US.  And if you want to find a threat for supplying material for a dirty bomb or something, I'd look to Pakistan or North Korea before Iran.

How can you say we've built an occupier's palace?
Even if mercs are still running around in iraq and afghanistan, it's not as if we're putting al-maliki in the carriage house while we live in the main suites.
Hamid karzai is still running afghanistan.
Even mahmoud ahmadinejad who is openly against us and just came through a questionable election is still sitting pretty, which demonstrates exactly what the peace prize committee was rewarding - out new policies favor measured discussions and diplomacy rather than knee-jerk cowboyism.

edit: i had another thought about the mercs in iraq and afghanistan and the fact that we need people like this to stop the violence which exists... yeah so there may be violence still going down in the outlying areas of these countries where taliban forces can gather and force the issue with the locals, but that's an incomplete view of my argument. how's this for a hint: just look at the capitals! there's hardly any violence there. the whole point is to keep up healthy debate in these parts without getting personally invested and it looks like it's finally starting to work. how can you respond given that they're such clear signs of our apolitical intent?

How can you say we've built an occupier's palace?
Even if mercs are still running around in iraq and afghanistan, it's not as if we're putting al-maliki in the carriage house while we live in the main suites.
Hamid karzai is still running afghanistan.
Even mahmoud ahmadinejad who is openly against us and just came through a questionable election is still sitting pretty, which demonstrates exactly what the peace prize committee was rewarding - out new policies favor measured discussions and diplomacy rather than knee-jerk cowboyism.

What else would you call the compound that we're building there?  It's the size of Vatican city.

Hamid Karzai is not running Afghanistan.  Hamid Karzai is a weak figure head who was put into power because he is the only Pashtun the northern tribes who comprised the majority of our support would accept.  The current Afghan government is extremely corrupt, with even Karzai's brothers being implicated in the drug trade and other black market activities.

Ahmadinejad is still in power because the US can't do anything about it.  We're over extended militarily and doing anything in Iran would cross the Chinese & Russians even further.  We are not in a strong position and that has been the only thing that has stayed our hand, whether it was Bush in the White House or Obama now.

The war wont be won untill it is safe for McDonalds to open a drive-thru.

edit: i had another thought about the mercs in iraq and afghanistan and the fact that we need people like this to stop the violence which exists... yeah so there may be violence still going down in the outlying areas of these countries where taliban forces can gather and force the issue with the locals, but that's an incomplete view of my argument. how's this for a hint: just look at the capitals! there's hardly any violence there. the whole point is to keep up healthy debate in these parts without getting personally invested and it looks like it's finally starting to work. how can you respond given that they're such clear signs of our apolitical intent?

bah, edit conflicts...
i already considered what it might look like if you take the thing as a whole, but consider my new suggestion: look to the CAPITALS as a microcosm.

Apolitical intent?

We hand picked the leaders of both Iraq and Afghanistan.  And perhaps you've forgotten the reports of extensive fraud in elections in both countries...I mean, the US favored candidate being elected in a fraudulent election is clearly apolitical.

Fraud brought both men into power and kept them there as surely as fraud has kept Ahmadinejad in office.

That's missing the forest for the trees
Opium trade is down 22 percent in Afghanistan.
Obama is gaining the upper hand there simply by attacking issues of health and welfare - by using education instead of misinformation and propaganda.

Even sec. of def. gates agrees the war in afghanistan is starting to match the recent successes in iraq.
Vice president biden discussed essentially the same thing in july.
I know these may be a bit biased, but read obama's take on it or anderson cooper's view.
Left-wing policies may be unworkable sometimes but they seem to be doing the world considerably better than the previous right-wing ones were, am i wrong
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I feel sorry for Obama, they should have given him more time. He's spend 90% of his effort trying to fix your economy so it kind of makes a mockery of the award

That's missing the forest for the trees
Opium trade is down 22 percent in Afghanistan.
Obama is gaining the upper hand there simply by attacking issues of health and welfare - by using education instead of misinformation and propaganda.

Even sec. of def. gates agrees the war in afghanistan is starting to match the recent successes in iraq.
Vice president biden discussed essentially the same thing in july.
I know these may be a bit biased, but read obama's take on it or anderson cooper's view.
Left-wing policies may be unworkable sometimes but they seem to be doing the world considerably better than the previous right-wing ones were, am i wrong
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Yeah, because our longterm drug interdiction efforts have been so successful in places like Columbia.  Pointing to a minor success in interdiction efforts is a success?  Interdiction efforts will always be failures in the long term and do little more but make the drug trade more lucrative.

And trying anything at all would be successful in a place like Afghanistan, where they were setting records on Opium crops every year.

I'm not sure what major differences you think there are under Obama in the way we're fighting the wars.  He backpedaled from most of the changes he promised to make during his campaign (and even then, campaign promises were revisions of things he had said previously).  The same secretary of defense & same general are prosecuting the war and proposing nearly the exact same things.  If things are finally turning around, it's probably more fair to give GW Bush credit for it - though I believe the successes in both Iraq & Afghanistan rely on American forces being in the country & American aid, which aren't sustainable long term.  

The only difference I've noted is canceling programs for unneeded, overpriced military equipment.  While that's welcome, Obama isn't proposing big cuts into the world's most expensive military either - just cutting some of the chaff but still giving them just as much money to spend on other things.

Let me get this straight.
Are you saying that what little action we've seen thus far from obama not only pales in comparison with his promises, but is ultimately just a continuation of the last 8 years of failed policies?
So the nobel prize, the high accolades, and the suggested historicity of things generally surrounding obama's thus-far mediocre presidency are collectively becoming borderline obscene, right?
That's essentially what i believe myself.

Obviously that doesn't really jive with my last few posts in this thread.
No, i'm not backpedalling furiously, though...
Examine the hints provided in this thread and i think you'll see that i was just playing a private game and trying to stir people up.
!

sorry, this was a pretty mean game. i was hoping to attract more victims and even if not *more* than at least ones whose integrities i recognized less than emp's... sorry emp.

if i'm being too vague, i can be more explicit about the strict rules of the word-game i was playing.

Examine the hints provided in this thread and i think you'll see that i was just playing a private game and trying to stir people up.

you are such a talk tease.

Eh, I don't mind.  I've been having similar arguments with people I know and online elsewhere.  And I did edit out the death wishes, so I was far more restrained than I've been elsewhere!

I'll look for clues for the game later.

NO YOURE ALL FUCKING WRONG. NOT ENOUGH US BOMBS HAVE FALLEN ON ASIA YET. THE WORLD NEEDS THE US TO BOMB THEM TOWEL WEARING MOTHERFUCKERS EVEN FURTHER BACK INTO THE STONAGE!!!

LET THEM EAT BRONOTSAURUS BURGERS!!!

A small bite for Tom (sorry for the smiley)

Anybody else catch the acceptance speech? I know they didn't cover it on FOX so that eliminates some of you right off the bat.
Anyway say what you will, but the man is an excellent speech-giver.
I also couldn't help but laugh at the quailing looks from the Norwegian honchos on stage with him toward the beginning of the speech.

Also for the record, the game I was playing in the above October posts was related to the capital letters I was using in the text of the posts. What can I say, October was a boring month.

Anybody else catch the acceptance speech? I know they didn't cover it on FOX so that eliminates some of you right off the bat.
Anyway say what you will, but the man is an excellent speech-giver.
I also couldn't help but laugh at the quailing looks from the Norwegian honchos on stage with him toward the beginning of the speech.

Also for the record, the game I was playing in the above October posts was related to the capital letters I was using in the text of the posts. What can I say, October was a boring month.

Oh, PULEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

The fuktard is an actor/READER,

and he isn't all that great at reading.

He damn sure can't think while he's reading, you know, to sort of verify any GLARING gaffs he KEEPS MAKING

He sux dick,

and i can't believe you aren't camped on the the zebra-house lawn,

just waiting for him to slip to you.

He will, you know.


And it won't feel very good ~ sort of flaccid, and spongy, if you can imagine.

Well, let's see.

He tried, in vain, to defend the WAR effort,

while receiving his fucking PIECE Prize???

Oh, yeah.  THAT's the genius i want representing MY country.

He has no class, folks.  He couldn't "etiquette" his way out of a fucking paper bag,

WITH a 10 man working party.


Please.  Get over him.  He won't Save The Day, and he doesn't give a rat's banana about the "lower" classes,

the dwitch of which we ALL are.


If you just LURVE getting fucked,

Come On Down!!!

i'll call Sasha, ask some questions, and then i'll pimp you out for the FUCKIN' of your LIFE!

OK the question was what you thought of the acceptance speech.

Cutting out all the gibberish I'm left with
1)It was obvious that he didn't write the speech
2)He made GLARING gaffs
3)His defense of the war was inappropriate for a PIECE Prize ceremony
4)His speech lacked class and etiquette

Interesting perspective. Did anyone else see the speech? Any other reactions?

It boiled down to him being an apologist. It would have been much more appropriate if last week he had said "Fuck Afghanistan" and then went to Oslo and just said "Thank you" and went home.

Would of be way cool if he did that while wearing blackface.

Meh, he'd just announced an escalation. He couldn't very well talk about the war without being an apologist. He also couldn't very well avoid talking about the war without earning the label of hypocrite or responsibility-shifter.

HoJo, he did do it in blackface.

It boiled down to him being an apologist. It would have been much more appropriate if last week he had said "Fuck Afghanistan" and then went to Oslo and just said "Thank you" and went home.

NO SHIT!!!

but the fuktard just HAD to make an "illustrious" speech

Which he just doesn't realize that ACTUALLY EDUCATED FOLKS

WILL see the mistakes, like:

geography;

basic fuking MATH;

and SOME history...

This DUDE is a DISASTER

rofl  Well, it isn't really funny, but 'cuz it ISN't?  It soooooooooooooooooooooo IS!




i mean, admit it:

This dude sux Bush'es (Jr AND Sr's) ass

Still waiting, Zoomer ....

i'm so sorry, 'cuz even I'M sick of this shit...

i just don't seem to be able to figure out Modify vs Quote

i mean, i know the diff in the words,

Hey.  my flippin' contact called ME, this morgenstern

i was going to call him tonight for tomorrow

and i can't believe these prices...

450 usd for an elbow.

That's pretty fucking GOOD, eh?

Well, brb after i go to austin, pick up 13, kyle and baggy,

then cruise them down to CC

get them FUCKED up.

Watch your local news for updates on this developing story, kk? 

You dont need to know the diff.

Click this icon IN the post you want to change.

That's just It

i KNOW it,

but, at times?

It does NOT compute.

***

Yeah, i used to think that, too,

the fuktard just HAD to make an "illustrious" speech

Which he just doesn't realize that ACTUALLY EDUCATED FOLKS

WILL see the mistakes, like:

geography;

basic fuking MATH;

and SOME history...

I must have missed this. What were the geography and basic math mistakes?

You dont need to know the diff.

Click this icon IN the post you want to change.

I just use the modify button next to quote.




Also, can you not edit posts after X amount of time?
I only just realised.

Still waiting, Zoomer ....

I know but my pecker can't quite reach you from here...

Well, DANG, Zooms ~

stick that fuck stick out

and TOUCH me, babe!  rofl


i'm so full of shit!!!