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So How About That Climategate? (Read 11365 times)
Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #30 on: December 12, 2009, 01:15:05 AM
It annoys me that spanish entomologists are fucking with bee colonies by giving them antibiotics to cure them of this fungus.  This is all apart of evolution.  Leaf cutter ants are Earth's most successful species because of the fact that they have evolved to use fungus.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/11/ant-gardening/



Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #31 on: December 12, 2009, 08:00:42 AM
Actually, ALL ants, Sasha.

One day, they WILL achieve consciousness ...1

(the SECOND spookiest movie i ever saw when i was younger ~ all about ants, with Donald Sutherland, NO, not the COOL sutherland, the OTHER one!)
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Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #32 on: December 12, 2009, 08:33:41 AM
i like bees. i want bees in our plot at the allotment... but i doubt we'd be able to/allowed to get 'em.


EDIT: oh btw, they are not dying because of fungus. they're going back to their home planet....!
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Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #33 on: December 12, 2009, 09:51:16 AM
Now THERE's a CT i can believe in!!!



psst!

Jai?

Where in the heck iis their Home Planet???
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Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #34 on: December 12, 2009, 09:52:54 AM
Does anyone else see some sort of weird thang in front of that ...

brb ...

IS?

it sort of looks like a flea, that might have jumped off my cat, and onto my screen,

but HEY!

YOU be the fudge!

SIC, basters!!!  SIC

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Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #35 on: December 12, 2009, 09:58:47 AM
Now THERE's a CT i can believe in!!!



psst!

Jai?

Where in the heck iis their Home Planet???

Melissa Majoria



Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #36 on: December 12, 2009, 10:09:56 AM
2012 has everything under control.
This.

Seriously, though as far as "climategate" is concerned, the only thing I really 100% agree with is like Zoomie said. Stop calling everything "-gate" and maybe I'll start paying attention to you. Have you noticed that the things given the "-gate" postfix tend to be the stupidest shit ever.

As far as the climate is concerned, from having studied it for several years I am left with a poorer opinion of the science behind the pro-Earth people. The truth is that huge fluctuations in climate have occurred numerous times in the Earth's history at times when no humans were around to either recycle or drive SUVs. The patterns are such chaos and there are so many variables that it's hard to see the individual effects of any one variable in isolation.

The pro-Earth people's argument is that if we don't know what the effects of our actions will be (i.e. if we don't know for sure that greenhouse effects won't kill us all) then we should slow our roll until we have studied the shit out of it. The problem is it almost doesn't matter how much we study it considering how many variables there are and how impossible it is to know if we fully understand the system. It's like trying to study the butterfly's wing's effects on a storm. To halt all industry until we have solved the problem is unrealistic and counterproductive.

The anti-Earth people on the other hand tend to be dogmatists that try to deny as much of the science that runs against them as they can. They usually have a pretty anti-science bias which truns me off even more than the pro-Earth people. The other thing is that they share a bizarre and fetishistic alliance with corporate America. Corporations are interesting institutions. They are treated on paper and in the court as persons, and yet if we really look at the simplified world they confine themselves to, we can see that their motivations are far from human. The only way a corporation would be concerned for the environment at large is if it was directly impacted or if the lives of its shareholders were at stake. Even then, compromises could probably be made. So the point is that legal fictions aside, the anti-Earth crowd has aligned itself with the interests of entities that are non-human and that therefore don't care about human concerns.
I also find SUVs to be criminally ugly.

Ultimately the thing that used to make me the most excited about saving the Earth was the fact that if we made the world too terrible of a place, the deaths of all the whales and white rhinos and Yangtze River dolphins and bees would just be prelude to the death of all of us by snowball earth or an inferno of black daisies.
As you can see I'm a failed God of Daisyworld.
But then as I switched from environmental science to evolution, I discovered that this shit doesn't matter. Yeah maybe humans in this form will not survive. Heck, maybe humans in no form will survive. The point, though, is that life will probably survive. That's the only thing I really care about. Matt Groening said it best. Hell is other people. I say let em burn. That's why Krsna's spot on. Bring on 2012.

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that which toes the party line.
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Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #37 on: December 12, 2009, 11:10:49 AM
But then as I switched from environmental science to evolution, I discovered that this shit doesn't matter. Yeah maybe humans in this form will not survive. Heck, maybe humans in no form will survive. The point, though, is that life will probably survive. That's the only thing I really care about. Matt Groening said it best. Hell is other people. I say let em burn. That's why Krsna's spot on. Bring on 2012.

And the serial killer says "Everyone's going to die, so it doesn't matter what I do."
Like yours.  Only different.



Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #38 on: December 12, 2009, 11:27:37 AM
I think it's a shame for the currently extant megafauna, but I'm also cynical enough to believe that immediate gain will always outweigh delayed regret in the calculus of the marketplace. I'm just comforting myself with a whole-life perspective. If I'm honest with myself, I don't really think it's inconsequential that the environment goes to hell. I like bees.



Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #39 on: December 12, 2009, 12:08:56 PM
That is the crux of the matter ~

we know we're doing things that are GOING to kill off the wildlife, the plant life,

pretty much ALL life, INCLUDING humanity.

We know what the prob is.

We KNOW the solution.

And we just keep on keeping on ...

Those of us that are willing to drop out and stop our contribution to the destruction?

Well, we'll probably stand the longest, up we'll fall, too.

When i do fall? i hope it's FOR something.


you know?
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Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #40 on: December 12, 2009, 12:25:23 PM
It's the woodcutter's dilemma.
If all the trees in the copse are chopped down then his livelihood is gone.
If he stands idly while the other woodcutters chop down the copse then his livelihood is gone sooner.
Only by collectively acknowledging the problem can the woodcutters try to improve the situation and then it becomes a free-rider dilemma.
Each woodcutter thinks he can probably sneak off in the night and cut one more without harming anything, and when they all wake up in the morning, the copse is barren.

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Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #41 on: December 12, 2009, 02:16:18 PM
Yes.
Reality; A shared narrative we all agree to believe.



Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #42 on: December 12, 2009, 02:54:14 PM
I like reading just the writing in a smaller size, more fun that way.



Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #43 on: December 12, 2009, 02:59:58 PM
I've started using it as a super bracketed-non-sequitur.
Bracket-abuse is one of my many textual foibles.



Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #44 on: December 12, 2009, 03:10:14 PM
It DO come in handy!

For a while, i didn't know.

Now, i look, and then back out.

i'm fuckin' ASKARED of you mean ole MEANIES.

(Zoomie made me say ^that^)
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Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #45 on: December 12, 2009, 03:13:56 PM
Bracket-abuse is one of my many textual foibles.

Geometry being another.
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Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #46 on: December 12, 2009, 03:27:58 PM
Are you "into" math?

Can you taste it?

Do you smell it?

Can you really understand something so outside of our basic existence?
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Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #47 on: December 12, 2009, 03:30:14 PM
i heard that.

Our Basic Existence depends upon air, food and water.

Sex is a benie.



And now i freaked you out, didn't i?  i AM sorry about that.

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Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #48 on: December 12, 2009, 04:53:06 PM
I've started using it as a super bracketed-non-sequitur.
Bracket-abuse is one of my many textual foibles.

I love it usually but when I am on the epc the smaller text is way too small to read.
and even if i zoom in the size doesnt change.
only option is to copy and paste it. which really takes away from the whole effect.



Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #49 on: December 12, 2009, 04:57:09 PM
Sex is a benie.

I need to file a claim for some benefits...
No Nyarlathotep, no chaos...
KNOW NYARLATHOTEP, KNOW CHAOS!



Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #50 on: December 12, 2009, 06:44:46 PM
EDIT: oh btw, they are not dying because of fungus. they're going back to their home planet....!

"So Long And Thanks For All The Pollen"?

Yangtze River dolphins

Not to mention Komodo Dragons and Kakapos.

Damn. I'm all over the DA references tonight!
ever tried. ever failed. no matter. try again. fail again. fail better.



Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #51 on: December 12, 2009, 06:46:28 PM
I've started using it as a super bracketed-non-sequitur.
Bracket-abuse is one of my many textual foibles.

I love it usually but when I am on the epc the smaller text is way too small to read.
and even if i zoom in the size doesnt change.
only option is to copy and paste it. which really takes away from the whole effect.

Just hit "quote".
ever tried. ever failed. no matter. try again. fail again. fail better.



Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #52 on: December 12, 2009, 06:59:50 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

You will be their slave,

FOREVER!!!

DO NOT click whatever they tell you to

They just want n00dz  :eek"
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Re: So How About That Climategate? Reply #53 on: December 12, 2009, 07:34:53 PM
EDIT: oh btw, they are not dying because of fungus. they're going back to their home planet....!

"So Long And Thanks For All The Pollen"?
kinda.
I've started using it as a super bracketed-non-sequitur.
Bracket-abuse is one of my many textual foibles.

I love it usually but when I am on the epc the smaller text is way too small to read.
and even if i zoom in the size doesnt change.
only option is to copy and paste it. which really takes away from the whole effect.

Just hit "quote".

i really should do but way too much hassle on that damn thing.

actually, everything is a hassle on it

i quite dislike the epc.