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DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? (Read 15519 times)
Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #30 on: April 07, 2009, 10:10:13 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Video_Express
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divx

DIVX and DivX aren't related, and BitTorrent didn't exist until long after DIVX was dead.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #31 on: April 07, 2009, 10:39:13 PM
Really? I was certain that that was where it came from.  Guess I was wrong.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #32 on: April 08, 2009, 05:52:24 AM
Well thank god we cleared that up.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #33 on: April 10, 2009, 04:11:53 PM
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/time-warner-cable-to-press-stop-questioning-our-caps.ars

Looks like Time Warner is GRACIOUSLY changing their pricing structure.
I'm still thinking about a replacement.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #34 on: April 10, 2009, 04:31:38 PM
Reading about caps of 100gig and 250 gig realy hurts. Australia has, one (maybe) thats goes to 75gig.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #35 on: April 10, 2009, 04:41:21 PM
Reading about caps of 100gig and 250 gig realy hurts. Australia has, one (maybe) thats goes to 75gig.

well, TWC is putting in caps at the 10 GB - 60 GB range.

Are you telling me that they got this from watching the AUSTRALIANS?!
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #36 on: April 10, 2009, 04:46:34 PM
Reading about caps of 100gig and 250 gig realy hurts. Australia has, one (maybe) thats goes to 75gig.

well, TWC is putting in caps at the 10 GB - 60 GB range.

Are you telling me that they got this from watching the AUSTRALIANS?!

The outgiong telstra ceo was an american, Sol Trujillo

if they were really watching Australia you would have over-cap charges on 10c/mb  <-- not a missprint and in the lower end of prices.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #37 on: April 10, 2009, 05:33:30 PM
Reading about caps of 100gig and 250 gig realy hurts. Australia has, one (maybe) thats goes to 75gig.

well, TWC is putting in caps at the 10 GB - 60 GB range.

Are you telling me that they got this from watching the AUSTRALIANS?!

The outgiong telstra ceo was an american, Sol Trujillo

if they were really watching Australia you would have over-cap charges on 10c/mb  <-- not a missprint and in the lower end of prices.

If you look at 3G wireless broadband overages, you see 10c-50c/MB.
Frankly, those $1/GB overage charges is what makes this look like a total money grab.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #38 on: April 10, 2009, 05:42:28 PM
Reading about caps of 100gig and 250 gig realy hurts. Australia has, one (maybe) thats goes to 75gig.

well, TWC is putting in caps at the 10 GB - 60 GB range.

Are you telling me that they got this from watching the AUSTRALIANS?!

The outgiong telstra ceo was an american, Sol Trujillo

if they were really watching Australia you would have over-cap charges on 10c/mb  <-- not a missprint and in the lower end of prices.

If you look at 3G wireless broadband overages, you see 10c-50c/MB.
Frankly, those $1/GB overage charges is what makes this look like a total money grab.

I'm on 3G myself. 6gig for $59.99 and 15c/mb over.

Now lets talking about how nearly every Au isp shapes to a pathetic level. Mine down to dial-up.

naaa, lets not.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #39 on: April 10, 2009, 11:43:46 PM
No lets not.

I have 20gb a month, flat. Because I'm cheap, I dont want to pay x cents a mb over that limit. So I have my acct shaped.

Sucks for d/l'ing things like Top Gear and Silvia Saint pornos, but at least I can get my email.



Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #40 on: April 11, 2009, 04:34:53 AM
I don't d/d anything on this account.

You think they will up our caps if they ever get around to laying/hanging the new cable ?

I think not. I'm betting they will introduce a new premium account.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #41 on: April 11, 2009, 05:22:54 AM
I dont think so either.

I dont think they'll lay this new network. Too expensive, too late. Howard fucked it up royally. Alstom and Coonan had no business being Ministers of Communications, and the Labor Minister is just as bad.

If they do, the prices will be so outrageous no one will use it. And they'll want to know everything you're doing online. Remember, this country has no bill of rights, so there is no freedom of expression.



Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #42 on: April 11, 2009, 05:39:02 AM
And laws against sedition....
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #43 on: April 11, 2009, 05:40:51 AM
and really odd libel and slander laws.

Politically this place is fucked.



Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #44 on: April 11, 2009, 06:28:31 AM
[david koch] It's Un-Australian ![/david koch]
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #45 on: April 11, 2009, 08:51:19 AM
There's no such thing as UnAustralian...

And Koch is a tool.



Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #46 on: April 11, 2009, 09:13:29 AM
Agreed.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #47 on: April 11, 2009, 05:03:48 PM
excuse me, i think you guys need to start an "Australian nonsense" thread in Politics if you're going to keep this up.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #48 on: April 11, 2009, 05:04:28 PM
We're done now.

Please return to bleating about DRM.



Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #49 on: April 11, 2009, 06:31:41 PM
Hulu is the network's way of beating piracy, and it's working a lot better than anyone could have expected.
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Bringing things back on topic:  Did you know that Hulu uses DRM?  It's true!  The DRM is built right into the flash player, though, so you'd never know it's there in normal usage.
Not all Digital Rights Management solutions are bad (I'll reference Steam for this); just the majority of them.
Just because something works doesn't mean it's not the sheerest evil.
By withholding the raw data (video/audio/game/etc) from the purchaser these middleman companies are working against both ends for their own benefit:
The consumer is getting nothing more than a long-term rental of the data. He'll be forced to repurchase and repurchase the data forever, and will ultimately be left with a big load of nothing after all his payments have been made and the system decides he shouldn't want the data any more.
The creator/artist is getting a small cut of the proceeds but his creation is now in the hands of the company. When the corporation decides that the customers no longer want the data then his creation is locked away in the vault. If he tries to pull it back out after the corporate decision has been made to lock it away then the lawsuits begin.

History is riddled with examples of everything getting fucked up as a result of this corporate money-making scheme wherein artists and consumers get shat upon for the good of the parent corp whose responsibilities only extend to themselves and their shareholders (maybe). Examine the fate of Nintendo's abortive Satellaview subsystem from the mid-90s. Online enthusiast of the games transmitted via Satellaview are now forced to resort to wringing their hands and producing doujin versions from memory.

What's going to happen when the next Crash of '83 occurs and Steam shuts down? Do you think they'll mail hard copies to all prior purchasers? No way. Fuck the purchasers and fuck the artists. This is only barely related, but it's the same thing with MMORPGs. That's the only reason I don't play them. They look otherwise quite fun. But to imagine that there will be a WOW community in 50 years when I'm showing my grandchildren how sweet old school gaming can be is ridiculous.

And I don't think most consumers have taken the three seconds of thinking required to recognize this. They're happy to jump through whatever hoops the companies proffer provided that they get their immediate fix. The companies suggest that this is a compromise because they have to fight piracy. What is the compromise? They've taken my rights to ownership off the table and in exchange I get the pleasure of their existence for as long as they can continue to dupe both ends of the market? That is not a compromise, that is tantamount to a taking. How about some disclosure? Steam shouldn't be allowed to call itself a distribution company when in fact it distributes something of no value and keeps the valuable parts to itself. Rentals will always be rentals even if they last for a very long time. This is precisely the point that confuses the masses and explains why we're slipping into the throttling grasp of these companies.

The only way I could agree that not all DRM solutions are bad is if I was a shareholder in the company and I was either indifferent toward or disapproved of the industry the company was leeching from. Let's say there was a DRM system set up to control access to religious materials. Now that's a company I'd be proud to have stock in.



Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #50 on: April 12, 2009, 12:00:50 PM
In the specific case of Valve, it's a privately-held company that started off as solely a development shop.  They picked up publishing (via Steam) after the fact, so they're seen in the industry as a sort of gentleman farmer for vidja games.

I'll say more later, I just wanted to get that on the table.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #51 on: May 05, 2009, 04:43:04 PM
Have some faith in the new religion, krsna...  Google will keep us (and our information) safe and warm.
I don't trust google, soon as they bought youtube ads starting popping up in every single video.

I pirated Spore also, with the superficial reason of protesting the DRM stuff, but the reality of the situation is just that I'm broke.  Edit: It got boring after an hour anyway.
My friend has Spore and has given it out to many, many people. Us included - twice!. For some reason it doesn't mind him doing that, although it did say he could only do it three times. I had a CD like this too, I just ripped it onto my computer and burned another CD.



Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #52 on: May 05, 2009, 11:10:21 PM
Have some faith in the new religion, krsna...  Google will keep us (and our information) safe and warm.
I don't trust google, soon as they bought youtube ads starting popping up in every single video.
there's a lot more reasons in the world to not trust google.
Did you know that your searches can be traced back to you, uniquely, as an individual?

This is from about 2.5 years ago, AOL data leak:
http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/40376/

Here are some the results found (multiple pages per article):
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/weekend-web/aol-search-log.php
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/weekend-web/aol-search-log-2.php
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/weekend-web/aol-search-log-3.php

And google's much, MUCH better at what they do.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #53 on: May 06, 2009, 02:21:17 AM
Have some faith in the new religion, krsna...  Google will keep us (and our information) safe and warm.
I don't trust google, soon as they bought youtube ads starting popping up in every single video.
there's a lot more reasons in the world to not trust google.
Did you know that your searches can be traced back to you, uniquely, as an individual?

This is from about 2.5 years ago, AOL data leak:
http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/40376/

Here are some the results found (multiple pages per article):
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/weekend-web/aol-search-log.php
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/weekend-web/aol-search-log-2.php
http://www.somethingawful.com/d/weekend-web/aol-search-log-3.php

And google's much, MUCH better at what they do.
Yes, I was told they keep that information longer than other companies (18 months?). And that they scan your emails on gmail to see what to advertise... but I don't know how truthful that is so I thought i'd leave it.

It's why I search all the bogus shit at School. xD



Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #54 on: May 06, 2009, 09:35:22 AM
And that they scan your emails on gmail to see what to advertise... but I don't know how truthful that is so I thought i'd leave it.
I don't know about their data retention policy, but the positioning of ads based upon what your emails contain is very factual.  AdSense.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #55 on: May 06, 2009, 08:25:39 PM
2012.  Your data won't matter anymore!



Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #56 on: May 06, 2009, 10:25:12 PM
Google's going to find a way to stop it.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #57 on: May 11, 2009, 12:10:48 AM
Tonight I tried to find a video of the infamous Lily Tomlin "We're the phone company" sketch from SNL, but it is nowhere on the internet. 

This smacks of conspiracy.
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #58 on: May 11, 2009, 08:59:58 AM
Or ignorance!

That was on Laugh-in.

Here's one:
One RingyDingy
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Re: DRM - Evil Totalitarian Dictatorship or Karma Insurance? Reply #59 on: May 11, 2009, 11:04:19 PM
Or ignorance!

That was on Laugh-in.


Or arrogant fuckup stupidity!  The famous one I'm talking about was on SNL:

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/76/76aphonecompany.phtml

It was the one that started all the hubub that finally inspired people to harass the government into breaking up Bell's monopoly.
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