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General Category => Politics, Philosophy, News and/or Current Affairs => Topic started by: (_)_)===D on December 08, 2009, 02:41:11 PM
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Feel free to discuss.
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The name "climategate" made me giggle. So scandalous!
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the only thing that will enforce change is a tax on imports from countries that varies depending on their environmental . Not going to happen since US debt is owned by developing nations these days
I would love to be on the committee that manages those ratings. swiss.bank.por.favor
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I'd have preferred Climaxgate...
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I take issue with these so-called pundits slapping the word "gate" on every issue an making big scandals of them. There was only one gate: Watergate. MY gate...
-G. Gordon Liddy
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Just like the Zombie invasion, people won't accept catastrophe until it is beating on their door and snacking on their intestines.
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I take issue with these so-called pundits slapping the word "gate" on every issue an making big scandals of them. There was only one gate: Watergate. MY gate...
-G. Gordon Liddy
Man, seriously. Shit is played the fuck out.
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I take issue with these so-called pundits slapping the word "gate" on every issue an making big scandals of them. There was only one gate: Watergate. MY gate...
-G. Gordon Liddy
Man, I was him, I'd be using that line to get me all sorts of teenaged poon.
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The guy's like 79 and he got busted screwing his producer 3 or 4 years ago. He doesn't need help getting poon.
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He's 79 and still CARES about Getting Some?
Poor freakin' fuktard.
Ever heard of a dude named Willie Nelson? Yeah, well, HE has been quoted, saying that he has finally reached the point that sex just does not matter ~
i think he actually said that he's out-lived the usefulness of his dick, but, Hey!
Poetic License.
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You know, my folks picked him up, hitch-hiking on the side of the road. Willie, that is. His tour bus had broken down or something.
My dad was CROCKED, Willie was high as a kite, and my mom was like, ummm, Want a cold beer? which they ALWAYS carried an ice chest FULL of ~
that was back in the day when folks could do those things.
My folks have lived lives that were an absolute trip, no drugz needed.
Howard Hughes? He put one of my cousins through Dartmouth, 'cuz his test plane killed my uncle.
Dillard? That was my dad's mom's maiden name, and, yes, THOSE Dillards.
The Hunt girls?
My mom and Laura Hunt Rasberry were best friends, AND i was the nurse on duty for one of the in-laws.
Bill Miller? i was the nurse on duty for Balous Miller's mother-in-law.
As BIG as Texas is? It's also a small town, and you've gotta love that.
i sort of forgot where i was going with this ~ dazzled myself with how semi-sorta-Famous i am! rofl!!!
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Feel free to discuss.
1) I have seen people write up wicked emails while just doing their jobs and not thinking about how much of a public record email actually is. Stuff that discusses how weak a security system is that's wrapped around customer PII, even though it would be essentially impossible to crack by an outside party. Stuff about how we have a part that we know is going to fail 100% of the time, even though error rates are actually below 1%. Policy & procedure talk that is ignorant belly-aching at best.
Personally, I don't expect scientists to be exceptional corporate citizens, only recording electronically that which toes the party line. Most engineers aren't able to do it, and even many high-level business people can't manage to keep that sort of decorum (http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/library/2003Jangatesmoviemaker.pdf).
2) I'm glad folks are finally talking about it as Climate Change, and not just Global Warming. The two concepts are distinct from one another, so it's a great shift for the media.
3) Global Climate Change is an unknown. There's plenty of good science to show that it's possibly occurring at regional levels, but there are also too many unknowns still out there for us to lock down an equation of "this much released carbon equates to this much climate change". Ocean acidification (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sci/tech/7933589.stm) is my primary concern, since this is something that could remove a major food source of the world from play, swiftly. The science around ocean acidification is pretty solid, too, being essentially high school chemistry.
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seriously, the bottom line is the only one that matters. Tax importers/companies based on their economic footprint and you will see a lot of change in a very short time
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The science around ocean acidification is pretty solid, too, being essentially high school chemistry.
Yes.
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I can imagine fish and whales having trips in an acidic ocean...
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i'm really betwixt and between on Climate Change, mainly because so much of the beginning data have been lost for all time. And not because someone shredded the info, or made mistaken entries, but because we didn't have the ability to make the measurements at the time. That leaves us starting in the MIDDLE, once any Butterfly Effect had already begun,
trying to figure out the Before AND the After effects of human colonization.
i don't think it can be done, tbh, and throwing more and more money towards an answer is the height of stupidity, not to mention the fact that as long as folks are trying to solve the unsolveable, their ignoring the things they COULD figure out.
We know about the bees. We know about the cell phone and microwave transmissions killing them off. We know that if all the bees drop dead, THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF AMERICA will starve to death within 10 years. And it's like, Okay, we know what's doing the terrible thing, but we don't DO anything about the PROBLEM.
Is that it? We just want to know what DOES IT? We don't want to try to STOP it or Cure it?
WHY THE FUCK STUDY IT, then????
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(http://riverdaughter.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/tinfoil_hat_girl.jpg?w=402)
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STFU Luke.
It's actually pretty simple, Fyre. We know that CO2 destroys ozone thereby increasing the solar radiation that strikes the earth. We can measure the CO2 levels from both sedimentary cores and polar ice cores as recent as 100 years ago, going back MILLIONS of years. You can compare the CO2 levels through history and see that the proliferation on humankind has caused this.
The same goes for the rising levels of acidity in the ocean. Other than the spread of humans across the planet (and too damn many of us) and our industrialization, not too much else has changed to cause this. Of course big business and the lackeys who suck the corporate teat will tell you it's a 50,000 year natural cycle, nature pushing evolution on us, but really... does the planet WANT to be rendered uninhabitable?
We did this to our planet.
"YOUR planet???" -Klaatu
We should make the sacrifices to fix it.
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(http://riverdaughter.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/tinfoil_hat_girl.jpg?w=402)
SOaB, i KNEW i should have disabled that flippin' webcam thang on that laptop at the ranch!!!
You BASTER!!!
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Zoom? We can do all of that, and find the answers, but we aren't willing to STOP what we're doing that's causing the prob.
The bottom line solution is to clear the planet of about 1/2 of it's HUMAN population, but we can't do THAT,
so i'm back to my question of WHY study it, when we aren't going to do the things that need to be done to solve the basic problem..
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The bottom line solution is to clear the planet of about 1/2 of it's HUMAN population, but we can't do THAT
The fuck we can't...
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Well, yeah,
it COULD be done,
but no one is going to Step Up and outline the Big Fat Plan for GETTING it done ...
no matter HOW much money we pay them to.
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Something tells me Al Queda is working hard to make this happen...
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2012 has everything under control.
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Couldnt give a fuck. Probably a dodge to up taxes and have a global "purse" of money to fuck round with.
I agree with reducing pollution esp new pollution like GM. And with stopping deforestation and habitat destruction etc.
But warming and CO2 are different things IMO.
AS David Bellamy says.
Britain was a lot warmer a few hundred yrs ago. Our weather is shit, polar bears can swim. And wankers in East Anglian villages can fall into the sea for all I care
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This problem could be solved if we killed all the muslims and had anal sex while eating nachos.
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Wouldn't the blood, guts and liquid cheese get pretty messy???
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That's why we keep the Muslim women alive. Someone has to do the washing up after...
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We know about the bees. We know about the cell phone and microwave transmissions killing them off. We know that if all the bees drop dead, THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF AMERICA will starve to death within 10 years. And it's like, Okay, we know what's doing the terrible thing, but we don't DO anything about the PROBLEM.
Is that it? We just want to know what DOES IT? We don't want to try to STOP it or Cure it?
WHY THE FUCK STUDY IT, then????
Colony Collapse was found to be due to an introduced fungus, not cell phones. And they ARE trying to fix it (http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/04/a-cure-for-colony-collapse.ars).
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Now Luke, don't confuse the issue by interjecting the truth. Luddites and conspiracy theorists don't like it when Mother Nature does man's destructive work with no prompting.
And stay away from the contrails of jet aircraft, those are mind control drugs being sprayed on us, you know. And birth control drugs sprayed on those urban people the government doesn't like...
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some reports even attempted to link cell phone usage with the loss of honey bees. Oddball suggestions aside,
Cool! i DO worry about stuff like that, and hadn't realized that they'd found a cause.
Or have they? ... Perhaps, 'cuz folks don't want to give up their cell phones ...
rofl!
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It annoys me that spanish entomologists are fucking with bee colonies by giving them antibiotics to cure them of this fungus. This is all apart of evolution. Leaf cutter ants are Earth's most successful species because of the fact that they have evolved to use fungus.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/11/ant-gardening/ (http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/11/ant-gardening/)
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Actually, ALL ants, Sasha.
One day, they WILL achieve consciousness ...1
(the SECOND spookiest movie i ever saw when i was younger ~ all about ants, with Donald Sutherland, NO, not the COOL sutherland, the OTHER one!)
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i like bees. i want bees in our plot at the allotment... but i doubt we'd be able to/allowed to get 'em.
EDIT: oh btw, they are not dying because of fungus. they're going back to their home planet....!
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Now THERE's a CT i can believe in!!!
psst!
Jai?
Where in the heck iis their Home Planet???
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Does anyone else see some sort of weird thang in front of that ...
brb ...
IS?
it sort of looks like a flea, that might have jumped off my cat, and onto my screen,
but HEY!
YOU be the fudge!
SIC, basters!!! SIC
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Now THERE's a CT i can believe in!!!
psst!
Jai?
Where in the heck iis their Home Planet???
Melissa Majoria (http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Melissa_Majoria)
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2012 has everything under control.
This.
Seriously, though as far as "climategate" is concerned, the only thing I really 100% agree with is like Zoomie said. Stop calling everything "-gate" and maybe I'll start paying attention to you. Have you noticed that the things given the "-gate" postfix tend to be the stupidest shit ever.
As far as the climate is concerned, from having studied it for several years I am left with a poorer opinion of the science behind the pro-Earth people. The truth is that huge fluctuations in climate have occurred numerous times in the Earth's history at times when no humans were around to either recycle or drive SUVs. The patterns are such chaos and there are so many variables that it's hard to see the individual effects of any one variable in isolation.
The pro-Earth people's argument is that if we don't know what the effects of our actions will be (i.e. if we don't know for sure that greenhouse effects won't kill us all) then we should slow our roll until we have studied the shit out of it. The problem is it almost doesn't matter how much we study it considering how many variables there are and how impossible it is to know if we fully understand the system. It's like trying to study the butterfly's wing's effects on a storm. To halt all industry until we have solved the problem is unrealistic and counterproductive.
The anti-Earth people on the other hand tend to be dogmatists that try to deny as much of the science that runs against them as they can. They usually have a pretty anti-science bias which truns me off even more than the pro-Earth people. The other thing is that they share a bizarre and fetishistic alliance with corporate America. Corporations are interesting institutions. They are treated on paper and in the court as persons, and yet if we really look at the simplified world they confine themselves to, we can see that their motivations are far from human. The only way a corporation would be concerned for the environment at large is if it was directly impacted or if the lives of its shareholders were at stake. Even then, compromises could probably be made. So the point is that legal fictions aside, the anti-Earth crowd has aligned itself with the interests of entities that are non-human and that therefore don't care about human concerns.
I also find SUVs to be criminally ugly.
Ultimately the thing that used to make me the most excited about saving the Earth was the fact that if we made the world too terrible of a place, the deaths of all the whales and white rhinos and Yangtze River dolphins and bees would just be prelude to the death of all of us by snowball earth or an inferno of black daisies.
As you can see I'm a failed God of Daisyworld.
But then as I switched from environmental science to evolution, I discovered that this shit doesn't matter. Yeah maybe humans in this form will not survive. Heck, maybe humans in no form will survive. The point, though, is that life will probably survive. That's the only thing I really care about. Matt Groening said it best. Hell is other people. I say let em burn. That's why Krsna's spot on. Bring on 2012.
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that which toes the party line.
This phrase is a huge problem from many. The gods of spelling thank you.
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But then as I switched from environmental science to evolution, I discovered that this shit doesn't matter. Yeah maybe humans in this form will not survive. Heck, maybe humans in no form will survive. The point, though, is that life will probably survive. That's the only thing I really care about. Matt Groening said it best. Hell is other people. I say let em burn. That's why Krsna's spot on. Bring on 2012.
And the serial killer says "Everyone's going to die, so it doesn't matter what I do."
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I think it's a shame for the currently extant megafauna, but I'm also cynical enough to believe that immediate gain will always outweigh delayed regret in the calculus of the marketplace. I'm just comforting myself with a whole-life perspective. If I'm honest with myself, I don't really think it's inconsequential that the environment goes to hell. I like bees.
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That is the crux of the matter ~
we know we're doing things that are GOING to kill off the wildlife, the plant life,
pretty much ALL life, INCLUDING humanity.
We know what the prob is.
We KNOW the solution.
And we just keep on keeping on ...
Those of us that are willing to drop out and stop our contribution to the destruction?
Well, we'll probably stand the longest, up we'll fall, too.
When i do fall? i hope it's FOR something.
you know?
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It's the woodcutter's dilemma.
If all the trees in the copse are chopped down then his livelihood is gone.
If he stands idly while the other woodcutters chop down the copse then his livelihood is gone sooner.
Only by collectively acknowledging the problem can the woodcutters try to improve the situation and then it becomes a free-rider dilemma.
Each woodcutter thinks he can probably sneak off in the night and cut one more without harming anything, and when they all wake up in the morning, the copse is barren.
Do you like my pyramid of ever-lengthening sentences?
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Yes.
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I like reading just the writing in a smaller size, more fun that way.
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I've started using it as a super bracketed-non-sequitur.
Bracket-abuse is one of my many textual foibles.
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It DO come in handy!
For a while, i didn't know.
Now, i look, and then back out.
i'm fuckin' ASKARED of you mean ole MEANIES.
(Zoomie made me say ^that^)
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Bracket-abuse is one of my many textual foibles.
Geometry being another.
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Are you "into" math?
Can you taste it?
Do you smell it?
Can you really understand something so outside of our basic existence?
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i heard that.
Our Basic Existence depends upon air, food and water.
Sex is a benie.
And now i freaked you out, didn't i? i AM sorry about that.
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I've started using it as a super bracketed-non-sequitur.
Bracket-abuse is one of my many textual foibles.
I love it usually but when I am on the epc the smaller text is way too small to read.
and even if i zoom in the size doesnt change.
only option is to copy and paste it. which really takes away from the whole effect.
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Sex is a benie.
I need to file a claim for some benefits...
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EDIT: oh btw, they are not dying because of fungus. they're going back to their home planet....!
"So Long And Thanks For All The Pollen"?
Yangtze River dolphins
Not to mention Komodo Dragons and Kakapos.
Damn. I'm all over the DA references tonight!
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I've started using it as a super bracketed-non-sequitur.
Bracket-abuse is one of my many textual foibles.
I love it usually but when I am on the epc the smaller text is way too small to read.
and even if i zoom in the size doesnt change.
only option is to copy and paste it. which really takes away from the whole effect.
Just hit "quote".
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
You will be their slave,
FOREVER!!!
DO NOT click whatever they tell you to
They just want n00dz :eek"
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EDIT: oh btw, they are not dying because of fungus. they're going back to their home planet....!
"So Long And Thanks For All The Pollen"?
kinda.
I've started using it as a super bracketed-non-sequitur.
Bracket-abuse is one of my many textual foibles.
I love it usually but when I am on the epc the smaller text is way too small to read.
and even if i zoom in the size doesnt change.
only option is to copy and paste it. which really takes away from the whole effect.
Just hit "quote".
i really should do but way too much hassle on that damn thing.
actually, everything is a hassle on it
i quite dislike the epc.