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General Category => Politics, Philosophy, News and/or Current Affairs => Topic started by: Tru on November 07, 2012, 11:36:57 PM

Title: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 07, 2012, 11:36:57 PM
fill me in, I have no access to common media.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: MacGirlver on November 08, 2012, 01:16:44 AM
Steve King got reelected. That surprised me. Wasn't in my district, but I m stuck hearing this backwards asshole saying he represents Iowa for another 2 years.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 08, 2012, 08:57:53 AM
So are you saying BamOma got reelected?

I really should make one of these televisions I have functional.

Meanwhile I have a new kitten in the house, he is called Mobius.
already spent like $300 just to start him off right.
The vet better not be fucking with me.

And we have a hoard of squatters living at the end of the block. 
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Emperor Reagan on November 08, 2012, 12:00:04 PM
Obama got re-elected. 

Republicans picked up more seats in the House, Democrats picked up a couple Senate seats I think.

So people basically voted to continue on as we have for the last 4 years.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 08, 2012, 12:52:38 PM
I don't believe people voting had anything to do with anything.

Just my opinion of course. I sat this one out. First time since I was 18 that I didn't vote.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Thrash on November 08, 2012, 03:35:22 PM
It would have been a 700,378 vote difference ...
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Emperor Reagan on November 08, 2012, 03:39:06 PM
Well, things are pretty openly split far in advance of any election thanks to gerrymandering.  As long as enough of the population is still operating under the dominant social narrative and showing up to cast their straight democratic or republican ticket as their demographic typically does, things will keep chugging along without surprises.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Thrash on November 08, 2012, 04:32:37 PM
Good point, Mike ...
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 08, 2012, 09:51:36 PM
chugging along, pretty much what I expected.

feels weird though, having abstained this year. 
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Thrash on November 09, 2012, 04:01:40 AM
Jack off and let it go, mate ....
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 09, 2012, 10:04:45 PM
Kerry won, but bush was made leader for what? So that 9/11 could be scripted.
No amount of jacking off or boozing will change that.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: FAH-Q on November 10, 2012, 10:33:48 AM
You mean Gore?
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 10, 2012, 12:29:13 PM
whatever, the point stands. Our votes meant nothing. And 9/11 was executed by our own government.

Straight the fuck up.

Yeah I'm pretty fucked up and I'm gonna go get some more but that doesn't change the fact we have been fucked over.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Thrash on November 10, 2012, 02:55:22 PM
Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" about that the other night was interesting ...
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: FAH-Q on November 10, 2012, 04:11:08 PM
Conspiracy theories almost all place way too much trust on people's abilities to keep secrets.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Daddy on November 10, 2012, 06:31:59 PM
Too many women suck dick and can't wait to talk about it. Too many guys take pictures of said women sucking their dickband can't wait to share it. Problems arise.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: FAH-Q on November 10, 2012, 07:30:32 PM
That's about as good a way to sum up how unlikely most conspiracy theories are as I've heard!
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 10, 2012, 07:55:17 PM
Ventura has a real grasp on reality. Hard for most people to comprehend how our own government could kill thousands of our own just to make a point but nonetheless it's not a conspiracy theory, it's a fact.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: MacGirlver on November 10, 2012, 08:34:34 PM
Conspiracy theories almost all place way too much trust on people's abilities to keep secrets.

Damn straight
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: MacGirlver on November 10, 2012, 09:47:54 PM
Too many women suck dick and can't wait to talk about it. Too many guys take pictures of said women sucking their dickband can't wait to share it. Problems arise.

That reminnds me, is there a new isanyonup? There is a certain methtard who doesn't take care of her kid who should be featured there.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Emperor Reagan on November 11, 2012, 12:10:11 PM
There's a couple much more evident conspiracies if you don't get lost in the spectacle of 9-11:

The Taliban would have given Osama bin Laden up without a war.  The US would just have had to play the diplomatic game and have let the regime save a little face.  GIVE US - NO TALKY NOT FAST ENOUGH - BOMB was the US response though.  The US wanted war, not to catch the "mastermind."

The Iraq war, for the boners that the administration had for it, was stupidly planned and executed.   They didn't get the narrative straight beforehand, so they failed on the front of providing moral force - basically ignoring everything that was written on war, ever.  They got caught in stupid, blatant lies.  And they could have forced Saddam into exile without invading - but once again, the administration was hell-bent on war.

Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: FAH-Q on November 11, 2012, 12:16:48 PM
Yep. THOSE are facts.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 11, 2012, 03:37:30 PM
The masterminds were all in DC, start to finish. (except for their vacation time)

And none will ever face justice.

Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: FAH-Q on November 11, 2012, 03:44:23 PM
How do you explain the lack of leaked evidence to support that?
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 11, 2012, 03:59:08 PM
leaked evidence?

Why would there be any other than the evidence that already exists.

They did cover their tracks, they had the CIA and every other media source covering their tracks and backing their lies.
Anyone who could have potentially provided evidence is now conveniently dead.

Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: FAH-Q on November 11, 2012, 04:04:00 PM
Every media source? You really believe ANYONE has that much control?

And why didn't wikileaks find any of this?
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 11, 2012, 04:06:43 PM
You know one of the first things out of Obama's mouth once elected was that there would be no investigation.

Pretty much says it all. 
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 11, 2012, 04:12:39 PM
Every media source? You really believe ANYONE has that much control?

And why didn't wikileaks find any of this?

What the fuck is wikileaks?

There are only a small handful of people at the top. There isn't a pyramid on the dollar for no reason.

Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Emperor Reagan on November 11, 2012, 04:48:46 PM
Why focus on the event with the least evidence?

Frankly, I think the government is happy to let the focus stay on 9-11, because people are still hysterical about it.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Thrash on November 11, 2012, 05:06:14 PM
I'm not ...

... just sayin'
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: FAH-Q on November 11, 2012, 05:30:00 PM
What the fuck is wikileaks?

What the fuck is the internet? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5tcAXMDxfY#)

---

Dude, you believe in conspiracy theories but haven't even heard about wikileaks?! You have yourself some googling to do, my son.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 11, 2012, 08:18:16 PM
You're just lucky you don't live in the states and don't have to actually hold an opinion.
Cause my opinion causes me pain every single day. I don't say this shit because I want to, but because it needs to be said.

fuck google and any wiki whatever. Useless distractions from the truth.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: FAH-Q on November 11, 2012, 08:32:19 PM
Google is a search engine. It has no opinion of its own. Wikileaks has nothing to do with wikipedia, other than being a collaboration of users.

And I do hold opinions, thank you. But nice to know that you seem to think that only Americans (or Americans living in the US?) are entitled to, or need to have opinions. Seriously?
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: MacGirlver on November 11, 2012, 09:09:06 PM
I swear to god there was a "South Park" episode about 9/11 conspiraces.
And the crazy part was, it actually made sense.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: MacGirlver on November 11, 2012, 09:20:27 PM
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e09-mystery-of-the-urinal-deuce (http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e09-mystery-of-the-urinal-deuce)
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 11, 2012, 09:30:14 PM
sorry man, but you are somewhat removed.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: FAH-Q on November 12, 2012, 01:04:11 AM
And this means I'm less informed or deserving of having opinions? Do you get information from American soil or air or what? The water, perhaps?
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 12, 2012, 02:43:33 AM
Not less informed but certainly less involved.
Must be nice being the outsider with the opinion.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Emperor Reagan on November 12, 2012, 10:28:13 AM
How are any of us involved?  Because you're holding to a romantic notion that the government actually derives its power from the governed?

All we can do is float down the river and try to keep our lone little canoes in the calm of the shallows rather than being swept away by the current.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: FAH-Q on November 12, 2012, 02:45:36 PM
Not less informed but certainly less involved.

You and I cast the same amount of votes in this year's election.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 12, 2012, 06:35:13 PM
>>Because you're holding to a romantic notion that the government actually derives its power from the governed?<<

I think our government derives it's global power from abusing our children and does what it needs to make them feel patriotic and willing.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Emperor Reagan on November 13, 2012, 08:34:15 AM
So why do you feel involved, then?

Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: underclass on November 16, 2012, 08:42:26 AM
I'm not American and I have an opinion. When your country becomes irrelevant to the economic world order I may cease to have an opinion.

My opinion is that the Republican party blew this election. I find the democrats less annoying than republicans, but not by much, however when your party is all about fiscal reform and you're campaigning on the economy and the other guy has 4 years of little progress you really should win easily. Smart play by journalists figuring out they could just ask enough people about rape to get 5 idiots to discredit the whole party by the way. That was cleverly done.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Emperor Reagan on November 16, 2012, 09:15:51 AM
The problem the republicans ran into was twofold:

Exit polls indicate people didn't like Paul Ryan's economic plan and Romney tied his cart to a plan that promotes things like converting medicare to block grants to the states and cutting pell grants for college students.  No surprise there.  The math on his plan doesn't even work according to the CBO and other independent accounting agencies, so one would hope that people wouldn't be duped by it.       

The demographics of the US have changed.  The GOP basically has a two-fold strategy that they've been operating on for decades now: get middle class and rich whites and poor religious whites to vote for them.  When Reagan was running, that strategy worked pretty well because the country was >80% white.  That strategy doesn't work as well now, because the country is becoming more urban, less religious, and less white.

The one smart bit of strategy the republians did have in recent history was blow-out spending on state congressional races after the census so they could control the gerrymandering of congressional districts and keep a republican house.   
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Thrash on November 18, 2012, 02:39:17 PM
Wow; and Tru said it didn't matter either way ....
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Emperor Reagan on November 19, 2012, 12:01:44 PM
Probably doesn't matter too much, because neither would do much to alter the overall trajectory of economic or foreign policy.  The democrats are nicer on the social policy front, but there's a fair amount of regressive bullshit that has been passed by Obama, Clinton & others precisely because they trade on the front of being more interested in the common person.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Daddy on November 20, 2012, 09:25:41 AM
They want to spend what we ain't got and lock us all away for shit they ain't got to prove. I'm not a happy American.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Emperor Reagan on November 22, 2012, 12:01:31 PM
No one was going to change it anyway.

The whole system is designed to make change tough.  Even were Jill Stein or Gary Johnson elected, they would have found their agendas stymied by the courts and congress. 

The biggest up side to this election, in my opinion, is:

Obama has a difficult relationship with Israel and that makes war with Iran less likely.  Romney seemed like he was ready to bomb Iran as soon as he was inaugurated.


Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: FAH-Q on November 22, 2012, 05:07:35 PM
Israel needs to chill the fuck out. Can anyone explain to me why they can't just give them the goddamn gaza strip already? Relocate their people, look good in the eyes of the world, and after that everyone would be behind them. Not so?
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 22, 2012, 08:10:12 PM
Israel should not even exist today but must for the so called Armageddon to proceed.

Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: MacGirlver on November 22, 2012, 10:52:45 PM
Word
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Emperor Reagan on November 22, 2012, 11:30:05 PM
I have a really hard time understanding the orthodox jews.  They don't serve in the military, don't work, and they pop out 12 kids.  All of this settlement bullshit?  For them, on top of frequently being the instigators in these showdowns.  Why does everyone else support them?
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Thrash on November 23, 2012, 04:11:59 PM
I've never understood it either ...
They have NEVER been a logical people to me ...
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: FAH-Q on November 23, 2012, 04:50:16 PM
I tend to prefer the culturally jewish, as well as those who are culturally catholic.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Tru on November 23, 2012, 06:48:55 PM
Israel really has very little to do with Jews. Except for using them as a resource.
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Thrash on November 24, 2012, 04:21:34 AM
Interesting point ...
Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Emperor Reagan on November 24, 2012, 05:33:38 PM
Well, one could argue that every revolution or new country is simply a group of near-elite people who want to be the new elites and are able to tap into some aspect of their culture that gains the support of the populace long enough to overthrow the old.


Title: Re: Who won, who lost
Post by: Thrash on November 24, 2012, 07:43:40 PM
One could ...
Indeed ...

Tru; you're up ...