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General Category => Politics, Philosophy, News and/or Current Affairs => Topic started by: underclass on June 15, 2009, 10:36:32 PM
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Hooray for elections. So, is the Supreme Leader going to liquidate all dissenters on live TV?
Seriously though, the internet has changed everything. You can't just off the ten-thousand students like back in the old days.
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At least he went big with the fraud. If you're going to cheat, you might as well make it a landslide.
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I'm not so sure there was any cheating....
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They have some hotties over there.
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_presidential_election.html (http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_presidential_election.html)
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I'm not so sure there was any cheating....
Wait... that was sarcasm, wasn't it?
I missed the entire thing, nothing but iPod for three days.
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I think this is perhaps the most difficult foreign policy position Obama has been put in since being elected. Obviously, the US would like to see the election of Mousavi, who is a reformer and will be much more amenable to a dialogue with Obama on building a real foreign relationship with the West. On the other hand, the US cannot legitimately do much to influence the outcome, because if it were not for CIA-interference, Iran probably would have been a stable democracy for most of the past century, see (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat)). The US (and the west writ large) has absolutely no business trying to sort out Iran's politics.
On the other hand, this election is most certainly an enormous fraud, lead by the Khamenei and the clerics. Mousavi has protested the results of the election and Khamenei (the supreme religious leader of Iran) wants to shuffle the protest off to the inner workings of the Guardian Council, a Supreme Court like religious body which he holds power over and will undoubtedly reaffirm Ahmadinejad's re-election. Ahmadinejad is merely a puppet for Khamenei and the clerics, and I base this on the fact that he makes extremely unintelligent off the cuff comments in public statements and when pressed on certain issues. He's really unfit to be a president, and is a basically a pretty face with strong religious/military political and financial backing.
If the election was legitimate, the government would not be blocking the internet, jamming cell phone signals, censoring news coverage, preventing foreign news services from covering the event, arresting and shooting protesters, and doing everything in its power to force the people to suck this one down their collective gullets. Hundreds of thousands of citizens have taken to the streets in protest, in rallys ten times the size of the celebration rally which declared Ahmadinejad the victor.
Juan Cole, who is a professor at University of Michigan that I took a middle eastern history seminar with, and is absolute class when it comes to knowledge about the region, had this to say about the elections on his blog (http://www.juancole.com (http://www.juancole.com)):
Top Pieces of Evidence that the Iranian Presidential Election Was Stolen
1. It is claimed that Ahmadinejad won the city of Tabriz with 57%. His main opponent, Mir Hossein Mousavi, is an Azeri from Azerbaijan province, of which Tabriz is the capital. Mousavi, according to such polls as exist in Iran and widespread anecdotal evidence, did better in cities and is popular in Azerbaijan. Certainly, his rallies there were very well attended. So for an Azeri urban center to go so heavily for Ahmadinejad just makes no sense. In past elections, Azeris voted disproportionately for even minor presidential candidates who hailed from that province.
2. Ahmadinejad is claimed to have taken Tehran by over 50%. Again, he is not popular in the cities, even, as he claims, in the poor neighborhoods, in part because his policies have produced high inflation and high unemployment. That he should have won Tehran is so unlikely as to raise real questions about these numbers. [Ahmadinejad is widely thought only to have won Tehran in 2005 because the pro-reform groups were discouraged and stayed home rather than voting.)
3. It is claimed that cleric Mehdi Karoubi, the other reformist candidate, received 320,000 votes, and that he did poorly in Iran's western provinces, even losing in Luristan. He is a Lur and is popular in the west, including in Kurdistan. Karoubi received 17 percent of the vote in the first round of presidential elections in 2005. While it is possible that his support has substantially declined since then, it is hard to believe that he would get less than one percent of the vote. Moreover, he should have at least done well in the west, which he did not.
4. Mohsen Rezaie, who polled very badly and seems not to have been at all popular, is alleged to have received 670,000 votes, twice as much as Karoubi.
5. Ahmadinejad's numbers were fairly standard across Iran's provinces. In past elections there have been substantial ethnic and provincial variations.
6. The Electoral Commission is supposed to wait three days before certifying the results of the election, at which point they are to inform Khamenei of the results, and he signs off on the process. The three-day delay is intended to allow charges of irregularities to be adjudicated. In this case, Khamenei immediately approved the alleged results.
I am aware of the difficulties of catching history on the run. Some explanation may emerge for Ahmadinejad's upset that does not involve fraud. For instance, it is possible that he has gotten the credit for spreading around a lot of oil money in the form of favors to his constituencies, but somehow managed to escape the blame for the resultant high inflation.
But just as a first reaction, this post-election situation looks to me like a crime scene. And here is how I would reconstruct the crime.
As the real numbers started coming into the Interior Ministry late on Friday, it became clear that Mousavi was winning. Mousavi's spokesman abroad, filmmaker Mohsen Makhbalbaf, alleges that the ministry even contacted Mousavi's camp and said it would begin preparing the population for this victory.
The ministry must have informed Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei, who has had a feud with Mousavi for over 30 years, who found this outcome unsupportable. And, apparently, he and other top leaders had been so confident of an Ahmadinejad win that they had made no contingency plans for what to do if he looked as though he would lose.
They therefore sent blanket instructions to the Electoral Commission to falsify the vote counts.
This clumsy cover-up then produced the incredible result of an Ahmadinejad landlside in Tabriz and Isfahan and Tehran.
The reason for which Rezaie and Karoubi had to be assigned such implausibly low totals was to make sure Ahmadinejad got over 51% of the vote and thus avoid a run-off between him and Mousavi next Friday, which would have given the Mousavi camp a chance to attempt to rally the public and forestall further tampering with the election.
This scenario accounts for all known anomalies and is consistent with what we know of the major players.
Prof. Cole doesn't bullshit around. What he has written is pretty much all the evidence I need, to objectively find this election result completely implausible.
At this point though, it is all in the hands of the people of Iran. The country is bottled up and cut off by government control. It is up to them to throw this motherfucker out by force if ballots do not suffice, and so far it looks as though they are doing their damnedest to try. You can't arrest/kill 200,000 people on the streets of your nation's capitol. Even after the government shot 7 people on Monday by firing into crowds of protesters, more people showed up today to protest more. Hopefully they get whatever support they can from outside sources.
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They have some hotties over there.
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_presidential_election.html (http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_presidential_election.html)
I totally agree..
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They have some hotties over there.
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_presidential_election.html (http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/06/irans_presidential_election.html)
I totally agree..
Iranian chicks FTW
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They're called Persians. And they are smoking hot. Well into their 50s. But look at the sharp contrast in the way men dress versus the way women dress. The Ahmedinejad regime wants to keep that contrast.
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The woman I bought my apartment through, her mother ia Iranian. The woman was smokin'.
Greatest set of tits I'd imagined for a long while.
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I recently met a born-Iranian/grew-up-in-Canada guy. Very cool dude. Very not into his cultural heritage.
I also recently met an Israeli guy who's half Palestinian. I've been having some interesting conversations, it's nice to hear some varied points of view.
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I had a persian teacher once, she's still at the school.
She introduced herself as Persian because she didn't want to say Iranian.
She is most definitely NOT hot.
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Iran is a fairly new name but the people have always called themselves Persian.
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(http://www.iranian.com/PhotoDay/2006/April/Images/h1.jpg)
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*thanks Nick*
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I was in Dubai in October 2006. The hotel I stayed at also had an Iranian tour group. One family brought their 3 daughters, aged between 17 and 22, I guess. My god, genetically blessed. First time I saw one of the girls in the hotel, all she was wearing was a tanktop and a very tight pair of shorts. Much pleasing to my redeye.
Anyways, I got talking to a couple of other members of the tour group, and they described the girls progress from Tehran. In Tehran, very covered up, on the plane, some of the clothes came off, at Dubai airport, some more clothes came off, on the bus to the Hotel, some more clothes came off, and by the time they reached the hotel, the girl was damn near naked.
First opportunity these guys get to break the chains, they'll take it, I think.
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wow you guys are right, they are gorgeous. Then young men arent too bad looking either
as a side note - those bikini's look uncomfortable. Buttfloss!
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I <3 middle eastern and asian women.
Kick ass photo nick!
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I was in Dubai in October 2006. The hotel I stayed at also had an Iranian tour group. One family brought their 3 daughters, aged between 17 and 22, I guess. My god, genetically blessed. First time I saw one of the girls in the hotel, all she was wearing was a tanktop and a very tight pair of shorts. Much pleasing to my redeye.
Anyways, I got talking to a couple of other members of the tour group, and they described the girls progress from Tehran. In Tehran, very covered up, on the plane, some of the clothes came off, at Dubai airport, some more clothes came off, on the bus to the Hotel, some more clothes came off, and by the time they reached the hotel, the girl was damn near naked.
First opportunity these guys get to break the chains, they'll take it, I think.
I think I should turn my house into an Arab Women's Sanctuary.
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I agree that some of the women are beautiful. It's so funny though, because all the indian guys/middle eastern guys I know would hit on me over the women that look like that.... and I DO NOT look like that. I guess they just don't find their women hot anymore when they come to America. I guess they want to get themselves some of that white stuff.
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I agree that some of the women are beautiful. It's so funny though, because all the indian guys/middle eastern guys I know would hit on me over the women that look like that.... and I DO NOT look like that. I guess they just don't find their women hot anymore when they come to America. I guess they want to get themselves some of that white stuff.
What the hell?
That's rubbish.
How about because they've lived their whole lives with indian/middle eastern women and to them, you're exotic...?
Just like guys go to asia and think the women there are amazing.
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Just like guys go to asia and think the women there are amazing.
Meh. Been there done that got the scars. Oriental Asian women are off the menu. But I promised that if I'm ever single again I'm so done with you honkies.
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Yellow niggers forever !
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I was thinking brown. A nice plump woman who can make me matar paneer, na'an and some chili relish and then get into some tantric sex.
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yellow niggers = India, Sri lanka, Pakistan, Bangthedish and so on.
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Huh. Learn something new everyday.
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it's from the Brits using the word asian to describe Indians and the others.
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Yeah leave it to the fops to come up with something like that.
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Am I a fop ? cause I havent seen it used anywhere, except in my posts.
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Nah you're an Ozzer aren't you?
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Yep. and I looked up fop cause you were too lazy/mean to tell me.
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I try very hard not to assume anyone else is ignorant.
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but i asked what it was.....shesh.
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I agree that some of the women are beautiful. It's so funny though, because all the indian guys/middle eastern guys I know would hit on me over the women that look like that.... and I DO NOT look like that. I guess they just don't find their women hot anymore when they come to America. I guess they want to get themselves some of that white stuff.
There's a lot of cultural complexities at work there, but from what I've observed in my own family and the network of facefuckingly wealthy Persian/Levantine people that my grandfather somehow snaked himself into (we're Lebanese Christian), the general attitude is often that classic "anglo women, easy lay" predator style. Which has nothing to do with you personally, it's just part of this fucked up palacial privilege culture they're often coming from--and if they're here speaking to you in flawless English and in pursuit of some grad degree, it's likely to be the case.
Usually, the dudes I know from that superrich background are ultimately in search of their American born/raised holy grail who isn't just verbally fluent in Arabic, but also fully literate (which are two totally different skillsets).
Not like they're ever so hott for me, but it'd be a real fucking hard sell getting me to date any dude raised in the Middle East, Israelis included (and in particular, haha). It's not any sort of self-hate thing, but even the vaguest streak of traditional Arabic gender garbage and I'm hitting the ground running. I'd gladly remodel myself into June Cleaver than deal with that shit.
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Am I a fop ? cause I havent seen it used anywhere, except in my posts.
Dude, you're doing it again.
It's hotter in summer, K?
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You already replied to that one asswipe.
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it's from the Brits using the word asian to describe Indians and the others.
Countries in Asia = Asian countries.
Except for India... of course, that's just like, barely in Asia...
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Yes, but we just call you all pakies, not asians.
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And in Australia, that wasnt a racial slur until recently.
Curry muncher, thats a racial slur.
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Im seriously suprised that the VC from Yahoo's Australian chat rooms hasent had any coverage in the news...given all you Victorians are stabbing pakies every other day.
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It's the new footy!
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http://iransexporn.com/ (http://iransexporn.com/)
(http://feedmorphers.com/hustler/1228161805/arab_pussy_muslim_pussy_iran_sex_8.jpg)
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Oh yeah.
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(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3090/2391247785_c0778c4f92.jpg)
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(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3090/2391247785_c0778c4f92.jpg)
That is genius.
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(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/21/2593920234_d26968dccc.jpg)
(http://urbanprankster.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/wanted.jpg)
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Also awesome.
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yellow niggers = India, Sri lanka, Pakistan, Bangthedish and so on.
It's SAND NIGGER you jew-faced tart.
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I agree that some of the women are beautiful. It's so funny though, because all the indian guys/middle eastern guys I know would hit on me over the women that look like that.... and I DO NOT look like that. I guess they just don't find their women hot anymore when they come to America. I guess they want to get themselves some of that white stuff.
There's a lot of cultural complexities at work there, but from what I've observed in my own family and the network of facefuckingly wealthy Persian/Levantine people that my grandfather somehow snaked himself into (we're Lebanese Christian), the general attitude is often that classic "anglo women, easy lay" predator style. Which has nothing to do with you personally, it's just part of this fucked up palacial privilege culture they're often coming from--and if they're here speaking to you in flawless English and in pursuit of some grad degree, it's likely to be the case.
Usually, the dudes I know from that superrich background are ultimately in search of their American born/raised holy grail who isn't just verbally fluent in Arabic, but also fully literate (which are two totally different skillsets).
Not like they're ever so hott for me, but it'd be a real fucking hard sell getting me to date any dude raised in the Middle East, Israelis included (and in particular, haha). It's not any sort of self-hate thing, but even the vaguest streak of traditional Arabic gender garbage and I'm hitting the ground running. I'd gladly remodel myself into June Cleaver than deal with that shit.
From my experience Middle Eastern/South Asian guys are way more douchey than white guys. They are short, have small cocks, and have mommy issues... also they want to fuck their sister (if she's hot). I don't blame you for not wanting to marry one. I wouldn't want to marry one either.
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Middle eastern guys were some of the worst to deal with when ta'ing. The guys tended to be dicks even when they were coming and asking you for favors/to help them with something.
One of my friends has a huge fetish for Persian women. I think he's met all of his girlfriends since he came back from Iraq on some Persian dating site.
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yellow niggers = India, Sri lanka, Pakistan, Bangthedish and so on.
It's SAND NIGGER you jew-faced tart.
The region is subject to monsoonal rains, sure, there is sand....but sand nigger is for the middle east.
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I stand by Hojo in this statement.
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Do what you must Nazi.
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My fave part in all of this are the republican tweets comparing their trouble in Congress to the Iranian protesters.
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Heh. How's that feel, fellas?
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I'm not sure what's going on, but it's not like we can change anything going on there anyway. The protesters can't protest forever. Barring an actual revolution putting the Clerics heads on Pikes, I don't see how this 'election' doesn't stand. The clerics are talking pretty tough, threatening 'revolutionary action' (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/23/world/middleeast/23iran.html?_r=1&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/23/world/middleeast/23iran.html?_r=1&hp)). I'm not sure how THE GOVERNMENT can commit REVOLUTIONARY ACTION, since revolutions by definition are against the government, but I'll chalk that one up to bad translation. The results are obviously a huge fucking joke, I'm amazed at how resilient the people have been in protesting the elections. We don't have that kind of spirit in America anymore. For all the crazy ideologies about exporting American democracy to the middle east, I think they already know how it's done. T. Jefferson would be proud.
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Actually a lot of the unrest is being instigated by "outside" forces. It's been planed for a long time.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/23/opinion/23iht-edcohen.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/23/opinion/23iht-edcohen.html?_r=1)
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Actually a lot of the unrest is being instigated by "outside" forces. It's been planed for a long time.
You sir, are a fucking tool. Go look under the rocks in your back yard again.
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Actually a lot of the unrest is being instigated by "outside" forces. It's been planed for a long time.
You sir, are a fucking tool. Go look under the rocks in your back yard again.
Oh fuck off Zoomie, I completely agree with the protesters. Changes nothing.
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GEEZER FIGHT!!!!
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(http://www.viceversa.nl/photos/photo-crazystuff002.jpg)
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Oh fuck off Zoomie, I completely agree with the protesters. Changes nothing.
I agree with them also. Living in a country that is controlled by oppressive religious zealotry is offensive. And we should know.
I was hoping you would post some proof that this is all controlled by "outside forces". But since there isn't any, you can't.
Which was my point. And in this case the truth will only serve to stir more anger in you. That really sucks, doesn't it? To believe in things that you cannot prove... like a Christian.
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What Do You Do With A B.A. In English/ It Sucks To Be Me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HGH-hSZdxw#lq-hq)
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That really sucks, doesn't it? To believe in things that you cannot prove... like a Christian.
Or one of those damn, dirty Muslims!
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Oh fuck off Zoomie, I completely agree with the protesters. Changes nothing.
I was hoping you would post some proof that this is all controlled by "outside forces". But since there isn't any, you can't.
Now that's not what I said at all. I said a good deal of the unrest is being instigated, and you know as well as I that such instigation is a tool of the trade. (bay of pigs ring a bell) Some of todays student activism has been grown from seeds planted several years ago when the cross hairs started wandering away from Iraq. The US may have lost control over the government there but I can assure you they will still have operatives and many contacts within Iran.
There was much talk of options for promoting internal strife in Iran to soften em up so to speak around 2004. Sure only a portion of the turnout can be attributable to any outside orchestration but it will be a factor and a factor that will be implemented strategically to cause the response from the government there to be more brutal than it might otherwise have been. (again think Castro)
Gee *we don't care how many people get hurt and *we don't really care how effective *our efforts are or aren't either. If it helps move their government in a direction *we like great, if not ... Oh well, *we are still having fun. Nothing to loose.
I don't have time to try and prove anything even if such proof could be ferreted out.
But, based on extensive prior history that has already been proven the logic in the basic assumption is unassailable. Maybe in 10 to 15 years as usual, we may find out officially there was a little more to the story. Just as wtp didn't learn the truth about the Shah until well after that shit blew up in our faces.
(*) not intended as a collective we
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I read a lot of statements, some spurious, but I didn't see any proof.
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(http://www.spawn.com/features/endgame/wp-content/uploads/proof.cover.11.lg.jpg)
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That winged demon wolf chick on the right is pretty hawt.
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The one on the left has nicer jubblies.
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Why can't evil harpies exist?
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I thought tru was typing about twitter.
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Why can't evil harpies exist?
Your ex doesnt qualify?
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Why can't evil harpies exist?
Your ex doesnt qualify?
She's too fat to be a harpie.
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I came in here to say that I ran, I ran so far away.
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~blink.
Im suprised you know that song.
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Im suprised you know that song.
My musical taste crosses pretty wide boundaries.
You, Flock of Seagulls, you know what we're here for? Then why don't you tell my boy here where you got the shit hid.
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GAY ALERT!!!
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You, Flock of Seagulls, you know what we're here for? Then why don't you tell my boy here where you got the shit hid.
You, flock of seagulls, you know why we're here? Why don't you tell my man Vincent where you got the shit hid at?
Don't fuck up a great movie Mkay?
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/02/2614914.htm?section=justin (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/02/2614914.htm?section=justin)
Computer software invented to beat China's stringent internet controls is being used by pro-democracy activists in Iran to manoeuvre around authorities there.
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You, Flock of Seagulls, you know what we're here for? Then why don't you tell my boy here where you got the shit hid.
You, flock of seagulls, you know why we're here? Why don't you tell my man Vincent where you got the shit hid at?
Don't fuck up a great movie Mkay?
Dude, that's just Chad's thing. It'd probably be my thing if I didn't cheat and look quotes up a lot.
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Some of us don't need IMDB.
You know, idiot savants...
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The lame thing is, 9/10 times I check IMDb and was right anyway. Just call me Thomas.
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OK Thomas, just call me Rainman.