What do you think of this?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo

I say fuck the retarded parents. 

Literally? Ok!

Religious assholes. They should have their children taken away and raised by wolves. They'd have a better chance.

separation of church and state.  legally requiring something that goes against the religious belief of a person (or juvenile) is fundamentally wrong under the bill of rights, as far as I'm concerned.

he'll still die from his cancer, but I don't think it's the job of the state to try to save him.

Lucas. Please quote me the text from the Bill Of Rights where it specifically states "Separation Of Church And State". Then please quote me the chapter from the US Constitution, The Declaration of Independence, Lincoln's Pennsylvania Address or the charter of the League of Women Voters that uses the phrase "Separation Of Church And State".

You can't. It doesn't exist.

What you will find is the First Amendment To The Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The purpose of this amendment was to prevent the US or any individual state from establishing an official state-sanctioned religion and then persecuting those in their jurisdiction who were not members of said religion. You know, the reason we left Europe and came to North America in the first place? Perhaps you should take an hour out of your very, very busy day and try reading the constitution. Then I wouldn't have to take time out of my very, very busy day and correct you.

"Separation of Church and State" was coined during the Scopes trials by fundamentalist Christians to get public schools to stop teaching evolution, and failed in the SCOTUS. It gets bandied about by whatever group feels they can best use it to their advantage, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with STUPID PARENTS LETTING THEIR 13 YEAR OLD SON DIE OF CANCER, DUMBASS.

State sanctioned eugenics should be revisited.

Canada has that covered.

Canada has heaps of good ideas.

Cheap prescription drugs, Bachman Turner Overdrive, eugenics... what a country!

If that kid tried to go over the border to Canada though he would probably get detained, because he'd look like a junkie. 

I am glad the court intervened.

he'll still die from his cancer, but I don't think it's the job of the state to try to save him.

My friend had Hodgkin's lymphoma, 14 when diagnosed I think. He started Chemo in the summer of 07 and it worked first time round. He even has his hair back now. The point is he has a 90% survival chance with chemo, and from what I was told it's a very slow acting cancer so if it doesn't work the first time then you have the time to go back and do chemo again until you have killed the cancer off.

I have several friends with non-Hodgkin's and other forms. Surprise, living this close to Baltimore with all the hexavalent and other shit they just dumped on the ground for decades, and the unlined landfills at Ft Meade right over the aquifer, filled with mercury and benzene and allegedly deactivated chemical weapons...

And I think to myself... what a wonderful world...

You and me both! I live downwind of the sunoco plant that keeps burning off toxic gases, and some strange plant that no one is entirely sure what they make... but it smells

and why does it smell like pasta near the airport but there's no pasta to be found?

Aloe smells like rancid spaghetti sauce. My dog's breath smells like dog food.

And I agree with Emp. My ex had and beat Hodgkins with chemo. It's very fixable.

Doctors also allow patients to die by chemo. Patient wants another treatment despite there being no chance. The doctors know what kind of death that is, but they still do it.

The purpose of this amendment was to prevent the US or any individual state from establishing an official state-sanctioned religion and then persecuting those in their jurisdiction who were not members of said religion. You know, the reason we left Europe and came to North America in the first place?

And then people were accused of being witches and burned at the stake and drowned.  Freedom of religion indeed.

But hey, it put Salem on the map!

And it's been the source of lots of jokes about my mum being a witch over the years.

i can't imagine not trying to do everything humanly possible to save my child regardless of my "beliefs".
if my daughter were ill, i would go above and beyond all human measures to try and help her.

do i think a judge can order this? no, but i see his point.

The purpose of this amendment was to...

The purpose of my post was to intentionally provoke you. 

Oh, that was joyous to read, coming back from a long weekend away!

edit:  well, not YOU specifically, but someone that would hop on the "government knows better than me!" bandwagon!  of course, zoomie, i didn't expect it to be you.

RON PAUL 2012!

For me, it's less a government issue and more a science > religion issue. 

On the list of government actions that bother me, a judge telling a family to take their superstitions and fuck themselves (when it comes to taking care of their kid's treatable illness) falls pretty low on the list.

i think those parents are assholes who have better options than the ones they are using as far as trying to save their kid. however, it annoys me and even pisses me off that a judge is telling someone what medical decisions to make.

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Believe!

fuck Ron Paul.

Someone dust off David Duke....

Fuck David Duke. Get me John Wayne !

On the list of government actions that bother me, a judge telling a family to take their superstitions and fuck themselves (when it comes to taking care of their kid's treatable illness) falls pretty low on the list.

How far up the list will you let them go, before you get indignant about government involvement in your life?

I think people gave me homo points for stating my opinion is this thread. NAZIS, THE LOT OF YA!

i think those parents are assholes who have better options than the ones they are using as far as trying to save their kid. however, it annoys me and even pisses me off that a judge is telling someone what medical decisions to make.

See usually it would annoy me but 90% and 5%?! I'm glad they intervened.

i think those parents are assholes who have better options than the ones they are using as far as trying to save their kid. however, it annoys me and even pisses me off that a judge is telling someone what medical decisions to make.

You can't legally smoke weed, snort coke, shoot smack, drink before you're 21 years old, or kill yourself. The government controls or prohibits all sorts of things that could be described as medical decisions.

I do think that some drugs should be regulated as they are. I think weed should be legalized, I don't know about coke enough to form an opinion on it. IMO suicide shouldn't be illegal. The government regulates too many things that they shouldn't as it is, this case is one more thing that I don't think they should stick their nose in.

I can see your point, but mine was really just that if society has been OK with the gov't banning the things they do for "medical purposes", then this ought not to be viewed as anything worse. If anything, the fact that they're saving a life that would otherwise be lost for ridiculous reasons makes this a lot better, in my opinion.

But then in my opinion religion can go fuck itself.