OK, you type about a "star" patern...if the wires are all equaly exposed to the mag....it wont change the freq. Even if they are not all equally exposed, the leak will create a constant output from each coil.

Adding more wire wont create more power...you can only increase the output by increasing the mag field.

as for making it more efficient ? ummm...wire type ? Gold conducts better ? I mean I dont know a way to make it more efficient....if i did, I wouldnt post it here and miss out on become a billionaire.

edit : constant output meaning what the 3 strand wire gives you....each coil would had a freq flux.

Porcelain coated copper.

Guess you'll have to trust me. I'm still trying to figure out some type of tachometer so I can fine tune it before I embed the windings in polyester resin. And I have to figure out how to weatherproof the windings and stator out of something else normally disposable. Something cone-shaped over cone-shaped.

A drive through the Port of Baltimore scrap yard tomorrow will work that out.

James Lovelock says that alternate energy sources are a waste of time anyway, there's no getting off the boat ride to hell on earth!

If the only possible weekend is the 7-9, I can postpone my visit to the following month.  I'll stumble my way into dirty hippy permaculture communal living eventually.

James Lovelock is a big fat poopyhead. I'm building these for two reasons. One, to make some money, so I can move to WV, and build more so I don't have to pay an electric bill.

Thirty systems and I'm the fuck outta here.

If you get this idea functional Zoomie....dont tell anybody and head directly to a patent laywer.AFter that, message me about it....id fly accross the world just to see it spin. seriously...no patronization.

That'd be nice but it's already been done. Actually, the three strand and the star pattern have been done. I just thought to combine them. We'll see what happens.

James Lovelock is a big fat poopyhead. I'm building these for two reasons. One, to make some money, so I can move to WV, and build more so I don't have to pay an electric bill.

Thirty systems and I'm the fuck outta here.

Those are good reasons.  The reason I like solar is the potential to live off of the grid while still being able to use some electronic stuff.

More broadly, though, alternative energy is a waste of time as a policy objective because policy makers are too cowardly to force a "stop using so much energy, assholes" agenda down people's throats.

We just have a wave gen place in the cities harbour for a trial....buggered if i know why...its one of the wave pushes air types. It's fucking huge...and one 100 times larger would power 40 homes..~chuckle.

One home at a time. If everyone saw how much money they could save on a small system to take just their refrigerators and TVs off the grid, or just convert all their lighting to 12vdc LED lighting, a revolution would take place. In times of economic trouble, like now, people will spend money to save money.

One home at a time. If everyone saw how much money they could save on a small system to take just their refrigerators and TVs off the grid, or just convert all their lighting to 12vdc LED lighting, a revolution would take place. In times of economic trouble, like now, people will spend money to save money.

I did it about 5 years back. Gov used to hand out an $8k rebate on solar panel installs (discontinued 2 weeks ago, yet to anounce a replacement). Havent gone to LED lighting though, been using Fluro blubs for 10 years or so ? longer i think..I remember my mother buying them, so must be longer. I only pay the connection fee now. I dont have panels on the Whouse roof as of yet.

The problem is that you don't necessarily save money wen you run through the numbers, so making the argument that those options should be installed to commercial/public building managers is difficult.

Because the installed cost for solar, LED lights, more efficient equipment etc. is high, government energy cost estimates are overly optimistic, and the government reports an artificially low value for inflation, such options are usually either eliminated at the life cycle cost analysis phase due to long payback periods, or eliminated at the value engineering phase of building design.


I also don't really believe that significant numbers of people are willing to make the capital investment in things like solar without more government incentive.  I think that the a couple of things about the nature of the current economic trouble makes people less likely to invest in such things:  

1. With the drop in the housing market, all of those home improvements they considered financial investments aren't going to pay back in the term they were expecting.

2. The focus of the economic problems has shifted away from energy and towards other sectors of the economy.  If energy was the big problem and everything else seemed relatively secure, I'd believe that people are willing to make the investment.  With everything in general a bit shaky, I don't believe that enough people are willing to make such investments.


And with all of this boiling down to money to make capital investments in things like solar panels or better insulation, I think the government is going to be hamstrung in its ability to play its role in encouraging such things because it wasted way too much money lining the pockets of the fraudsters in the financial industry.

Edited to add:
There's also a lot of crap coming on to the market that is advertised as "efficient" and "sustainable" which is likely to siphon off money that could be used towards actual sustainable pursuits.  I just saw something about sustainable IT and workstations...overpowered workstations with oversized monitors for administrators is not sustainable technology, no matter how many times they tell themselves 24 inch monitors or the ability to surf 300 webpages simultaneously while running Microsoft word are a necessity.

1. With the drop in the housing market, all of those home improvements they considered financial investments aren't going to pay back in the term they were expecting.

Not paying $200 per month to Baltimore Gas and Electric is an immediate return on the minor investment I'll make to assemble and install a system on my house.

Tru'dat!

you're in a different boat because you can pull it together from scrap and not pay for labor etc. It's the average whitey who's spending thousands on "extras" on his pad who's going to get boned

There's a word for that... it's called business.

As a side note I just found a TON of copper in the closet that holds my water main (mane? sp?)
Fittings, pipe... even copper cooking utensils!
Can't wait to sell it all

OK 9th is no good, the white queen will be enjoying her last free weekend while Steeleye has the twins at Pennsic.

Ideas please?

what about weekend of Aug 15th?

That will work.

Detroit and I can commit to that

Awesome.  I'll still go be a farmer for a weekend on the weekend prior, then renew my love affair with whiskey at the beach (though not so hot and heavy this time so I can get out on the water again).

Winds were awesome Saturday, though I had to upwind about 4 miles back to the beach and 4 degrees of variation made the boat come about on it's own. Scary and I got clocked by the boom twice. River got another boonie hat.

Hmmm ...

If you'd come to one, just one of our parties, you'd know what all that meant.

I promise I will not bring any lead shot to try to drown you while you're drunk.

Oh, well ...
It's settled!

What in the fuck would this possibly be other than solar panels and a windmill?
http://www.power4home.com/index.php

Could be hydro, but he spells out pretty plainly that it's wind and solar.