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General Category => Politics, Philosophy, News and/or Current Affairs => Topic started by: Zoomie on July 03, 2009, 05:46:18 PM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090703/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_resigning (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090703/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_resigning)
Won't go into detail why but I suspect she got caught with her pretty ass hanging out and wants out of the Gov mansion before it breaks.
She's still an idiot.
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I can't stop laughing ...
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I would hate fuck her so hard she'd die of internal hemorrhaging the day after.
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Maybe she thinks she cant run for the white house, if she has state gov issues on the table during the campaign ? Sure she would get hit hard with crap about the sacking of the police officer (?), and the bridge to nowhere....but...yeah..I dont like her, but its a good move ? I mean. nm.
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Yeah, I agree with zoomie's suspicion. I suspect she resigned either to try to keep something quiet or to avoid being forced out due to wrongdoing.
It's way too early to resign for a presidential run, especially since most people don't resign until they've won the primaries. And the police officer and bridge to nowhere were already on the table when she was nominated for VP, but she didn't get hit that hard for them.
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As the article said, the GOP only has two possible candidates left that carry any weight. Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich.
So unless a stranger creeps out of the woodwork, like Obama did, it's 4 more years of Obama.
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No it wont be four more years of Obama regardless of who is fielded.
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Run as Indy ? Leaves now to distance from GOP ? ~shrug.
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A lot of what I've heard say it was the Vanity Fair article on her that made her resign.
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/08/sarah-palin200908 (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/08/sarah-palin200908)
I was really, really hoping she'd run for president in 2012. Her running against Obama would be no end of entertainment.
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That artical was interesting in so much as it shows how lazy McCain was in relying on glitz and glamour over substance.
I dont care, I still want to stomp her in the cunt repeatedly with extra sharp cleats.
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Run as Indy ? Leaves now to distance from GOP ? ~shrug.
That would be interesting. She probably would fail pretty miserably, considering the track record of third parties in the US.
A truly serious, successful right-wing Christian third party would probably result in more Democrats being elected to office because it would only siphon votes off of the GOP.
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She claims she has a higher power calling. So we should look forward to the First Alaskan Church of Stupid Bitches With Nice Tits?
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Do we have proof of this nice boobage ?
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So where are all the Palin look-alike nude pics?
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She claims she has a higher power calling.
So did GW, and that turned out well.
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She claims she has a higher power calling.
So did GW, and that turned out well.
Dam straight, well indeed.
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She resigned to make a fuck ton of money in the political media. Selling books, doing talk shows, making appearances on fox news, and being a ho. Whether she retains the public interest remains to be seen. She can make tons of money doing that stuff, while not having to conduct herself to an ethical standard in public service, and not having to deal with being hamstrung by the shortcomings of her family in the public spotlight. I honestly feel bad for her family, especially her kids, at having to put up with the shit storm she brought on them.
I'm sure she fills a niche for some people, or else she wouldn't be nearly as popular, that said, I cannot fathom a world where she is elected to the Presidency, and I think the highest she could possibly aspire is maybe the Senate. Even that thought is scary. Her policy stances and her inability to articulate them on even a basic level is absolutely terrifying and hopefully she finds a place among the belfry of gargoyles at Fox News or some other conservative outlet so she can pander to an audience that appreciates her while fading into general obscurity among others.
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BUT WHAT ABOUT MICHAEL JACKSON??.??
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So where are all the Palin look-alike nude pics?
I'll hook it up when I get home from work.
Just google Hustler's Nailin' Paylin videos.
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BEST PHOTOSHOP EVAR!!!
(http://www.rightwingnews.com/graphics/palinbikini.jpg)
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So where are all the Palin look-alike nude pics?
I'll hook it up when I get home from work.
Just google Hustler's Nailin' Paylin videos.
Hmmm....sounds like something I should torrent.
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Huckabee deemed it "a risky strategy," adding that "if she did get out because of a feeling of getting chased, that's not going to stop if she stays in politics." He also questioned the way the resignation was announced, saying, "You don't call a press conference to create questions, you call one to resolve them."
Hey there Mike, did you ever consider... ummm that...
SHE'S A FUCKING MORON???
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How do you know somebody is serious on this forum ? They change font colour.
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I was acctentuating my point for anyone who didn't know this already, even though there may not be anyone.
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There is just no way she could run for another, especially a higher, office now. She's a quitter. The smear campaign writes itself.
The only reasonable options are: A. She wants to hop on the money train while it's still running, and some press agent or another made it sound to her like it wouldn't be in 18 months when her term was over. Or, B. She fucked up royal and wants to try to outrun the shitstorm.
Either way, I don't care.
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Don't care ??!!!? Everybody rubbernecks at a car crash !
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I hope she fucked up.
Since politicians aren't going to do anything and the media isn't going to ask any tough questions, I would at least like to see a scandal in my political coverage.
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Maybe she's pregnant with another mongoloid, and McCain is the daddy.
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She claims she has a higher power calling. So we should look forward to the First Alaskan Church of Stupid Bitches With Nice Tits?
Palin has much better thighs and ass than tits. NBC's choice of camera angle was all up on it during the VP debate.
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Why does this Op Ed read like it was written by a 16 year old?
The Sins Of Sarah Palin (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090707/pl_politico/24606;_ylt=AiBr21WsiOLCAKSGWM4BwqHC9bQF;_ylu=X3oDMTJybW9waTFtBGFzc2V0Ay9wb2xpdGljby8yMDA5MDcwNy9wbF9wb2xpdGljby8yNDYwNgRjcG9zAzYEcG9zAzYEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yaWVzBHNsawN0aGVzaW5zb2ZzYXI-)
I'm actually starting to feel sorry for the GOP. Don't worry, it'll pass...
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I'm hoping that the Republican party boots out the Christian coalition and actually makes a representative party that stands for small government/fiscal conservatism and civil liberties/individual freedom, and has some kind of plan for economic growth that doesn't involve incinerating money by the barge-load. I'm dreaming though because we are getting exactly the kind of representative government we deserve, dumb ass leaders for a dumb ass population.
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a representative party that stands for small government/fiscal conservatism and civil liberties/individual freedom
Wrong party.
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Wrong party.
Right, like I said, that's what I wish it was, a party like that does not exist in American politics anymore.
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BUT WHAT ABOUT MICHAEL JACKSON??.??
Shut the fuck up, nigger lover.
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I suspect she got caught with her pretty ass hanging out and wants out of the Gov mansion before it breaks.
Far be it for me to say I told you so, but...
Investigators find Palin committed ethics violations (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090721/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_ethics_complaint)
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Michael > Sarah
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Don't care > don't care
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My wife blames the democrats as being on a witch hunt and would vote for Palin regardless of which party she runs under, assuming she will ever run again. She thinks Palin did the right thing resigning because now they have no power over her. HA! She fucking hates Obama and has turned against all democrats for electing him.
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i'd have to do a whole lot of research about Palin before i'd be convinced.
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My wife blames the democrats as being on a witch hunt and would vote for Palin regardless of which party she runs under, assuming she will ever run again. She thinks Palin did the right thing resigning because now they have no power over her. HA! She fucking hates Obama and has turned against all democrats for electing him.
Is this some throw back to 70's feminism? I am woman hear me roar and all that stuff? Dont get me wrong, my hatred of Palin has nothing to do with her gender, or her appearance, or even her political inclination. I hate the bitch for all the right reasons, her ignorance about pretty much everything, her nouveau riche elitism, but most of all her moralist hypocrisy.
And so far, from the little I see, Obama aint doing a bad job. He inherited a mountain range of merde that isnt gonna get cleaned up in his first term... or even his second term if he gets one.
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My wife blames the democrats as being on a witch hunt and would vote for Palin regardless of which party she runs under, assuming she will ever run again. She thinks Palin did the right thing resigning because now they have no power over her. HA! She fucking hates Obama and has turned against all democrats for electing him.
Is this some throw back to 70's feminism? I am woman hear me roar and all that stuff? Dont get me wrong, my hatred of Palin has nothing to do with her gender, or her appearance, or even her political inclination. I hate the bitch for all the right reasons, her ignorance about pretty much everything, her nouveau riche elitism, but most of all her moralist hypocrisy.
And so far, from the little I see, Obama aint doing a bad job. He inherited a mountain range of merde that isnt gonna get cleaned up in his first term... or even his second term if he gets one.
imho, he inherited a mole-hill,
which he is rapidly turning into a mountain...
And i dislike him 'cuz he's a liar and a cheater.
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Let me fix that for you:
And i dislike him politicians 'cuz he's they are a liars and a cheaters.
To ascribe that to Obama (or Bush, or whomever) alone is crazy.
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I doubt President Obama will be elected to a second term and by 2012 a lot of shit will have finally hit the fan. It isn't going to be pretty but I hope the masses can keep their attitudes in check.
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Little difference in perspective, here:
To me, he inherited a mole-hill,
which he is rapidly turning into a mountain...
And i dislike him 'cuz he's a liar and a cheater.
The war in Iraq was a molehill?
The complete eroding of the US financial system was a molehill?
The recession was a molehill?
The trillions in debt accumulated over the previous 8 years was a molehill?
The total loss of reputation and general hatred for the US was a molehill?
The fact that we DIDN't owe our financial ass to the People's Republic of China BEFORE 1-20-09 is a molehill?
Fyre you have to spend money to make money. And we gotta make some money. I mean, I'm all in favor of a total collapse of the US economic system and then a complete rebuilding with some regulation, but since that ain't gonna happen today, let the man try. Either way we're all gonna pay.
Things were good in '01 after the Clintons, but no thanks to them either. Economic success of the late 90s was part imagination and part Reagan-era sacrifices coming into maturity. And ohhhhhh did we hate that fucker too. But no one gave him any credit for the good 12 years later.
Corrected.
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I'd give more credit to Bush I than Reagan, really.
He was the one who bit the bullet to raise taxes and cut spending even further after Reagan ran up those huge deficits, which paved the way for Clinton.
I also think the cost of Reagan's deficits in cuts to social & infrastructure programs far outweighs the brief prosperity of the 90s. Especially since we didn't take the opportunity to reinvest in all of those programs that Reagan cut, then were cut further to deal with the deficit he created with exorbitant military spending.
Military expansion and agitation also has led to us paying for an absurd number of foreign bases and useless weapon platforms as well as contributing to the blowback we've seen from terrorism.
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If Congress actually had the balls to cut all non-Constitutionally mandated programs, it's amazing how much money the taxpayer would save.
But Congress is scared to sacrifice their own perches of power to be re-elected. Too many chickenshits and not enough asses in the fire.
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My wife blames the democrats as being on a witch hunt and would vote for Palin regardless of which party she runs under, assuming she will ever run again. She thinks Palin did the right thing resigning because now they have no power over her. HA! She fucking hates Obama and has turned against all democrats for electing him.
Is this some throw back to 70's feminism? I am woman hear me roar and all that stuff? Dont get me wrong, my hatred of Palin has nothing to do with her gender, or her appearance, or even her political inclination. I hate the bitch for all the right reasons, her ignorance about pretty much everything, her nouveau riche elitism, but most of all her moralist hypocrisy.
And so far, from the little I see, Obama aint doing a bad job. He inherited a mountain range of merde that isnt gonna get cleaned up in his first term... or even his second term if he gets one.
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Little difference in perspective, here:
To me, he inherited a mole-hill,
which he is rapidly turning into a mountain...
And i dislike him 'cuz he's a liar and a cheater.
The war in Iraq was a molehill?
The complete eroding of the US financial system was a molehill?
The recession was a molehill?
The trillions in debt accumulated over the previous 8 years was a molehill?
The total loss of reputation and general hatred for the US was a molehill?
The fact that we DIDN't owe our financial ass to the People's Republic of China BEFORE 1-20-09 is a molehill?
Fyre you have to spend money to make money. And we gotta make some money. I mean, I'm all in favor of a total collapse of the US economic system and then a complete rebuilding with some regulation, but since that ain't gonna happen today, let the man try. Either way we're all gonna pay.
Things were good in '01 after the Clintons, but no thanks to them either. Economic success of the late 90s was part imagination and part Reagan-era sacrifices coming into maturity. And ohhhhhh did we hate that fucker too. But no one gave him any credit for the good 12 years later.
Corrected.
Oh, no, not like that. i was just using that comparrison, because what's bigger than the mountain? (srsly ~ idk ~ he made a PLANET out of the Mountain?)
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~ idk ~
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Little difference in perspective, here:
To me, he inherited a mole-hill,
which he is rapidly turning into a mountain...
And i dislike him 'cuz he's a liar and a cheater.
Can I ask, in your opinion, what Obama has lied and cheated about?
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She's a birther.
He wasn't born in the US.
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You could invent a time machine, travel back in time, and take video of him emerging from the birth canal in Hawaii and the birthers still wouldn't believe it's true.
It's epic stupidity.
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~ idk ~
i KNEW you'd do that.
LURV you!
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You could invent a time machine, travel back in time, and take video of him emerging from the birth canal in Hawaii and the birthers still wouldn't believe it's true.
It's epic stupidity.
What is TRULY epic stupidity is the fact that, although i can't prove the negative, Obozo either refuses, or CAN't, prove the positive,
and neither can you.
Let me ask you something: You don't believe in God because there is no PROOF that He exists.
Why, then, would you believe that a mere man needs NO PROOF, whatsoever, to support his claims of whatever???
Yes. THAT's what i just don't get...
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You could invent a time machine, travel back in time, and take video of him emerging from the birth canal in Hawaii and the birthers still wouldn't believe it's true.
It's epic stupidity.
What is epic stupidity is the fact that, although i can't prove the negative, (and you might actually want to look up the "rules" about that)
I'm aware of the rules about proving negatives.
I'm also aware that there are no grounds on which to claim that his birth certificate is a forgery. The state of Hawaii has confirmed that Obama has a valid birth certificate. It was even posted on the internet - though that has led to the "experts" making more spurious claims about evidence of forgery. Various "experts" making ever-shifting arguments about the document does not make a compelling case to believe that it's a forgery.
rest assured, when the TRUTH comes out, he cheated his way through whatever education he was exposed to (i say "exposed" because it obviously didn't "take") and sucked off the system just as much (maybe MORE) than most. (i do believe that he can't allow his college records to be released, due to his ALIEN status, AND because he used his race to scam the financial aid system.)
Proving that he cheated his way through college and scammed the system is a pretty tall order.
Everything I've read about him indicated that he was a decent lecturer at law school, so he possessed at least enough knowledge to teach a class. He was at least good enough that the University of Chicago school of law offered him a tenure track position multiple times. You can't teach a course and not know anything about the topic.
i freely admit that i'm a "Birther." No hospital can claim him, he and his family seem to not have their stories straight about where, exactly, he was born, and to me, that's a red flag.
"Story" not straight, WITHIN the FAMILY???
Please...
His mom, dad, and mom's obstetrician are all dead. Those are the people you would expect to give the most accurate account of his birth.
I'd bet you that my family can't get where I was born straight outside of my mom and dad, either.
Well, just read some of the stuff. Try to have an open mind, and DO put yourself in the hypothetical positions:
When asked for your I.D. ~ driver's license, birth certificate and social security number ~
do you rush out, hire the best bunch of lawyers you can find, even though you AND your spouse are supposedly shit-hot lawyers, in your own right,
and spend a MILLION dollars
TO KEEP SOMEONE FROM SEEING SAID I.D.???
It just isn't logical. It isn't a normal thing to do, in the circumstances. THAT being the case, there is definitely SOMETHING out of kilter, here.
Yes. I would hire other lawyers. I would hire other lawyers because it's generally foolish to represent yourself, I was running for office and didn't have the time to devote to being tied up in court cases, and because there's a pattern of harassment on the part of the sorts of individuals that request all of these documents.
Generally, if I'm asked for ID by someone and don't have either a legal requirement or a compelling reason to produce it, I am sure as shit going to tell them to fuck themselves.
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Let me fix that for you:
And i dislike him politicians 'cuz he's they are a liars and a cheaters.
To ascribe that to Obama (or Bush, or whomever) alone is crazy.
Well, there is a reason that i single him out, but it would require me to blather on, so.
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So what Emp is saying is Obama is like Oscar Wilde, an alien from planet Scarborough.
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Is it really so hard to imagine a half negro as Prez?
From what I remember, GW's Presidency wasnt 100% kosher either. In either election.
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Wow. Just wow.
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On the one hand, Fyre is my friend. I overlook a lot of character flaws in my friends. OTOH I believe that the basis of venom in most of the birthers is simple racism. It's not even complex racism, it's all a show to externalize the fact that a portion of the populous don't want a darkie in the white house. And I hate that. I hate that as much as I hate it when people scream JEW HATER every time I talk about pulling all aid to Israel. But many of my friends are birthers.
So I emotionally disconnect myself from the subject.
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Fyre is entitled to her beliefs, I have no problem with that. I have no problem debating anything with anyone. I know full well that I'm not going to change anyones opinion, but at least I might understand their point of view better.
I think egalitarianism still has a long way to go in the US. Lets say for arguments sake that Obama wasnt actually born in the United States, but is a citizen, and has lived the majority of his life in the US. Would that make him any less American? I know it'd make him ineligible to be President, but the character of the man would still make him a loyal US citizen, I'd imagine. He has obvious talent, he clearly isnt stupid (GW wasnt stupid either, but that's another story), and I believe he would contribute positively to American society regardless of his employment.
Just because you might have had the good fortune to emerge from a womb in the right place doesnt necessarily mean that you deserve what you receive. A small twist of fate, perhaps a thrust at a different pace and a different sperm might have knocked up your mother, meaning you wouldnt exist at all. There are hugely talented people all over the planet who dont get even 1% of the opportunity that we take for granted, so when someone a bit different comes along, I always find it's worth the effort to at least give them a go. If they fuck up, well you'll know that it was a mistake, but if the dont, the results can be amazing. So far Obama doesnt appear to me to be fucking up. He's only 7 months into the job, let him get on with it, and then cast judgement by the results in 2012.
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I usually find fringe ideas and cultures to be pretty entertaining most of the time. I've spent a fair amount of time reading every variety of government conspiracy theory - moon landing hoax claims, freemasons running the world, FEMA building secret death camps in Minnesota, etc.
I find birthers particularly aggravating because it isn't going away. It's nonsense, but it won't die because a lot of popular right-wing talk show hosts aren't letting it die and for the reasons that Aaron already mentioned. If it stayed in its obscure little corner of the internet where I could just laugh at the "experts" and "evidence," I wouldn't really care about it.
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Seriously.
The idea that someone who wasn't proven to be US-born could even be spoken about as a presidential candidate, let alone actually get a major party nomination, let alone actually win and get sworn in, in this day and age, is fucking ridiculous.
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The Governator can do it!
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Obama's up to his neck in sorting out the mess left on his lap by the previous 16 years of loose (no-existent?) fiscal policy.
What bothers me is that there isn't more political backlash against the lobbyists and "special interest" groups trying to block him in key areas. Those people operate in the dark grey corridors of your society, throw a fucking light on them instead of looking the other way.
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This shit goes back further than that, back to Nixon...
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Well, Alan Greenspan certainly deserves his fair share of the credit for shepherding us into the current mess (as many notable economists have pointed out and even he has been forced to partly admit).
Part of the problem in the US is that we allowed the fourth estate to be bought out and consolidated by the corporate interests that we should be attacking now. So instead of getting tons of editorials and reports about pharmaceutical companies cutting a deal with the administration so that we won't import cheap drugs from Canada or the government won't leverage its bargaining power to force prices down, we largely get silence.
Even our public broadcasting has declined over the years because of frequent attacks from our oh-so-enlightened leaders.
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On the one hand, Fyre is my friend. I overlook a lot of character flaws in my friends. OTOH I believe that the basis of venom in most of the birthers is simple racism. It's not even complex racism, it's all a show to externalize the fact that a portion of the populous don't want a darkie in the white house. And I hate that. I hate that as much as I hate it when people scream JEW HATER every time I talk about pulling all aid to Israel. But many of my friends are birthers.
So I emotionally disconnect myself from the subject.
Yeah, you have to, Zoomer. :-*
And you might be right about the "racism" ~ but not like you think.
There was an EXCELLENT opportunity (obviously) for us to truly take a Giant Step into the future. However, instead of putting the best possible candidate forward, we were offered up some cliche of all of the "Black racial profile" slurs imaginable.
i wanted it to be good, too, folks. i grew up all over the world and have never felt that anyone was less than me, for any reason other than THAT PERSON being ignorant, or a douche bag, or whatever. i've never been a racist, and i honestly don't understand the whole issue. (We ALL bleed red blood, which is interchangeable between races; we ALL cry normal saline tears when we're hurt; we ALL, well, you get it.)
And here is where my big, fat racism theory comes into play ~ the first person to say the word, IS the word, 'cuz folks that aren't prejudiced, either For OR Against? Don't really even think about it, as a main issue, and are more concerned with character, experience, intelligence, humor, etc.
imho, none of you regulars here in L-G are racists ~ i don't believe that a true racist wouldn't take the chance of making friends with someone, Sight Unseen, and would probably never trust in pix.
And Now, The Moment You've All Been Waiting For:
Because everyone keeps beating the racism drum, Obozo is being looked at to REPRESENT, and even knowing that he can't do that with any sense of decency, he just smiles (read that: laughs up his sleeve) and accepts the adoration as his just due. HE IS LIVING A LIE, and instead of manning-up, and stepping aside for someone with a sterling reputation/character to be The One, he just plays the "Nigger-With-A-Chip-On-His-Shoulder" anytime his past shennigans are brought to light. i hate folks who do that.
And if y'all have to hate ME over this, that's cool, too. i've tried to educate myself, as best i could, about the facts, and Obozo is one of the worst kinds of politicians, having been involved in scandal after scandal, based upon scam after scam, and i don't understand how basically intelligent folks could just, out-of-hand, "Pooh-Pooh" his past,
but "they" (him, dem party, et. al.) have duped a lot of folks into believing that if they question even one thing about him, they must be racists, and THAT is an absolute betrayal, on a par with using the Bibles' teachings to "get over on" Christians.
(Bet you're wEndering where all my 'succinct-a-licious-ness' is right now, eh? ::) ) Yeah, right.
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Fyre is entitled to her beliefs, I have no problem with that. I have no problem debating anything with anyone. I know full well that I'm not going to change anyones opinion, but at least I might understand their point of view better.
I think egalitarianism still has a long way to go in the US. Lets say for arguments sake that Obama wasnt actually born in the United States, but is a citizen, and has lived the majority of his life in the US. Would that make him any less American? I know it'd make him ineligible to be President, but the character of the man would still make him a loyal US citizen, I'd imagine. He has obvious talent, he clearly isnt stupid (GW wasnt stupid either, but that's another story), and I believe he would contribute positively to American society regardless of his employment.
Just because you might have had the good fortune to emerge from a womb in the right place doesnt necessarily mean that you deserve what you receive. A small twist of fate, perhaps a thrust at a different pace and a different sperm might have knocked up your mother, meaning you wouldnt exist at all. There are hugely talented people all over the planet who dont get even 1% of the opportunity that we take for granted, so when someone a bit different comes along, I always find it's worth the effort to at least give them a go. If they fuck up, well you'll know that it was a mistake, but if the dont, the results can be amazing. So far Obama doesnt appear to me to be fucking up. He's only 7 months into the job, let him get on with it, and then cast judgement by the results in 2012.
Obozo has given any true racists all the ammo they need to keep the front in motion...
Have you stopped to think what it will/would mean, when/if the truth comes out, and the bad shit IS the truth??? It makes me heartsick, folks.
How would you, personally, feel about our gov? Our political party system? Could you have any trust in the "News" that we all depend upon for the truth? Oh! And for you non-racists: Feeling any Need For Speed to get yourself moved into a "little better" 'hood?
btw, did you do the Google i suggested? About the first 6 mos.? It's not good, and even MSM is being forced to recognize it.
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I usually find fringe ideas and cultures to be pretty entertaining most of the time. I've spent a fair amount of time reading every variety of government conspiracy theory - moon landing hoax claims, freemasons running the world, FEMA building secret death camps in Minnesota, etc.
I find birthers particularly aggravating because it isn't going away. It's nonsense, but it won't die because a lot of popular right-wing talk show hosts aren't letting it die and for the reasons that Aaron already mentioned. If it stayed in its obscure little corner of the internet where I could just laugh at the "experts" and "evidence," I wouldn't really care about it.
Wow. Guess you know how Emperors of old felt about that ridiculous Round Earth theory.
i'm glad that the truth won't change, regardless of how much we do or don't want it to; it's THERE, for all to see.
(Yes, that includes for me to see, also, ESPECIALLY if i'm being a dumbass)
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Obama's up to his neck in sorting out the mess left on his lap by the previous 16 years of loose (no-existent?) fiscal policy.
What bothers me is that there isn't more political backlash against the lobbyists and "special interest" groups trying to block him in key areas. Those people operate in the dark grey corridors of your society, throw a fucking light on them instead of looking the other way.
Hey, you don't get it ~ "Those People" are the one's PAYING HIS RENT. We aren't ALLOWED to "throw a fucking light on them" ~ get real.
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Moth? Please delete... sorry
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Fyre is entitled to her beliefs, I have no problem with that. I have no problem debating anything with anyone. I know full well that I'm not going to change anyones opinion, but at least I might understand their point of view better.
I think egalitarianism still has a long way to go in the US. Lets say for arguments sake that Obama wasnt actually born in the United States, but is a citizen, and has lived the majority of his life in the US. Would that make him any less American? I know it'd make him ineligible to be President, but the character of the man would still make him a loyal US citizen, I'd imagine. He has obvious talent, he clearly isnt stupid (GW wasnt stupid either, but that's another story), and I believe he would contribute positively to American society regardless of his employment.
Just because you might have had the good fortune to emerge from a womb in the right place doesnt necessarily mean that you deserve what you receive. A small twist of fate, perhaps a thrust at a different pace and a different sperm might have knocked up your mother, meaning you wouldnt exist at all. There are hugely talented people all over the planet who dont get even 1% of the opportunity that we take for granted, so when someone a bit different comes along, I always find it's worth the effort to at least give them a go. If they fuck up, well you'll know that it was a mistake, but if the dont, the results can be amazing. So far Obama doesnt appear to me to be fucking up. He's only 7 months into the job, let him get on with it, and then cast judgement by the results in 2012.
I totally agree with this.
I was crushed when I found out about the stupid birth rule, I guess I'll have to settle with prime minister here instead.... *sigh*
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You sort of missed my point...
Until it can be proven, there will always be unbelievers.
The thing is,
YOU CAN'T PROVE A NEGATIVE,
and until a TRUE positive is produced,
all of us can have whatever opinion we choose.
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This shit goes back further than that, back to Nixon...
I would say It goes back at least to Wilson.
But Nixon's trumped up "drug war" was aimed at disenfranchising blacks predominantly.
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This has to be a troll.
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You sort of missed my point...
Until it can be proven, there will always be unbelievers.
The thing is,
YOU CAN'T PROVE A NEGATIVE,
and until a TRUE positive is produced,
all of us can have whatever opinion we choose.
Oh, I get your point.
It's just that it's completely wrong.
He has a birth certificate which has been confirmed to be valid by the state of Hawaii. In the United States, that qualifies as prima facie evidence that he is a natural born citizen - good enough to get him a driver's license and passport. The burden of proof is upon the side that would show that Obama is not, in fact, a citizen of the United States. He is under no obligation to play games (even though he did release that scan, which silenced some critics like Jim Geraghty but led to the more wild claims that exist today).
You're free to believe whatever insane conspiracy theories you want, even if they require 40+ years of sustained conspiracy by dozens of parties on the chance that Barack Obama might someday have an opportunity to run for president. Maybe you can have a love-in with the Holocaust deniers and lament the fact that no one will listen to your bullshit, even though you're clearly right.
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BOOYAKA!
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You sort of missed my point...
Until it can be proven, there will always be unbelievers.
The thing is,
YOU CAN'T PROVE A NEGATIVE,
and until a TRUE positive is produced,
all of us can have whatever opinion we choose.
Oh, I get your point.
It's just that it's completely wrong.
He has a birth certificate which has been confirmed to be valid by the state of Hawaii. In the United States, that qualifies as prima facie evidence that he is a natural born citizen - good enough to get him a driver's license and passport. The burden of proof is upon the side that would show that Obama is not, in fact, a citizen of the United States. He is under no obligation to play games (even though he did release that scan, which silenced some critics like Jim Geraghty but led to the more wild claims that exist today).
You're free to believe whatever insane conspiracy theories you want, even if they require 40+ years of sustained conspiracy by dozens of parties on the chance that Barack Obama might someday have an opportunity to run for president. Maybe you can have a love-in with the Holocaust deniers and lament the fact that no one will listen to your bullshit, even though you're clearly right.
Now, pal, you've overstepped yourself, and launched into a personal attack. How dare you presume to know what i might or might not believe about the Holocaust??
And, no, Sherlock, it would NOT have taken 40 years of sustained conspiracy ~ all that was needed was a wanna-be with a closet full of secrets that would make him tame.
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However, instead of putting the best possible candidate forward, we were offered up some cliche of all of the "Black racial profile" slurs imaginable.
No, Fyre. Obama is only a cliche of all racial slurs of any kind to the sort of people who sit around a 12 pack of Budweiser, with NASCAR on the TV, giggling over esoteric lines like "How many niggers can you fit in a hot tub?" And they live in all 50 states. And they, like birthers, are quickly becoming an insignificant minority. Just not fast enough. The fact that we are still discussing his race is just stupid.
We are all 99.9% genetically IDENTICAL. When the morons of the world can accept this racism will die.
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Have y'all checked out the Gallup Polls, lately?
More and more folks are starting to rethink, asking some of those hard questions,
and they're actually wanting some answers, along with some actual investigative reporting regarding it all.
It's hard, i know, to read some of this drivel ~ it seems like folks are either (please forgive this) black or white in their presentations of the "sides."
But if you look at the basic facts, and reason your way through, there are just too many illogical inconsistenties to ignore.
And i can tell you for a fact that the reason i am so gone on the BC issue is because i see it as our last, best chance of ousting this clown, and starting over, with the two major political parties getting the recognizition (ridicule) they so richly deserve. With BOTH of 'em sitting there, with egg on their faces, there's actually a chance to back an Independent REAL change.
i'd be thrilled to have an Independent Black woman in the office, but my vote would depend on qualifications, not pie-in-the-sky dreams of a better day, nor someone else telling me that "THIS," this ONE thing, is the reason everyone else doesn't agree with me.
If Everything can be blamed on One thing? You'd better start wondering where you got that idea...
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OK.
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However, instead of putting the best possible candidate forward, we were offered up some cliche of all of the "Black racial profile" slurs imaginable.
No, Fyre. Obama is only a cliche of all racial slurs of any kind to the sort of people who sit around a 12 pack of Budweiser, with NASCAR on the TV, giggling over esoteric lines like "How many niggers can you fit in a hot tub?" And they live in all 50 states. And they, like birthers, are quickly becoming an insignificant minority. Just not fast enough. The fact that we are still discussing his race is just stupid.
We are all 99.9% genetically IDENTICAL. When the morons of the world can accept this racism will die.
Other than the brand of beer (Miller rather Blub-wizer), you have described one of my best friend's families, to a T. My friend in Austin, from the bus company, Cynthia, who just happens to be black! ;D
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And I'll bet you a lid of my brother's finest that she sits around with her family going "We had this white boy on the bus today and..."
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And i can tell you for a fact that the reason i am so gone on the BC issue is because i see it as our last, best chance of ousting this clown, and starting over, with the two major political parties getting the recognizition (ridicule) they so richly deserve. With BOTH of 'em sitting there, with egg on their faces, there's actually a chance to back an Independent REAL change.
...and then spent, you jump down into the alley and smoke a fatty. You throw rocks at the cats. Stone Cold Steve Austin gives you some beer.
"Wanna Wrestle, Stone Cold?"
"Yeeaahhhh."
Sarah19fca walks away, ignoring you.
"It's cool Stone Cold, she was a bitch anyway."
You get on Harleys and ride into the sunset.
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I know that was sarcasm but I have to wonder if that's how Fyre started out...
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And I'll bet you a lid of my brother's finest that she sits around with her family going "We had this white boy on the bus today and..."
Heck, we ALL used to tell our horror stories to each other!
Or are you saying that she would have singled out a white person?
'Cuz the last story she told me was about her son, and how she had scared him spitless, telling him that the cameras on the buses actually WORK, and that she saw what he did! rofl
But, it really isn't like that. Black, white, Mexican ~ there's bad actors in every group, but we don't look at someone and say, "Oh. A (black, if you're white or mexican / white, if you're black or mexican / mexican if black or white) dude, in the middle of the night. i'd better be ready for trouble." Cynthia is ALWAYS ready for trouble; i never am. i didn't, and Cynthia doesn't, look at someone's color first, to decide how we feel about 'em. If anything, we were more concerned with their AGES ~ we hauled a LOT of kids, to and from school and the malls, and teenagers can be a TRIP...
That, and the poor homeless folks that would ride around as long as we'd let 'em ~ Cynthia = ONE circle; Me = my shift ~ to get out of the weather. (They would fall asleep, and we had to be careful that they not fall out of the seat ~ for REAL, folks! ~ and get hurt or anything.
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I'm saying that it is what it is. You don't see that kind of thing in most other countries. Being a proud black man and being a proud white man... Ask any African. They'll tell you it's more important to be a proud man. In Britain it's about class. You're born into a poor family, you go to shit schools, and you work on the docks. Or you're born into an affluent family, you go to Eaton, and you end up in Parliament. No matter what color your skin or the shape of your eyes. In the US ANYONE of ANY race or ANY level of poverty and you can still make it to the white house.
But we still dwell on these absolute minor differences.
It's stupid.
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But this really sucked for those of us who just don't think that way, to begin with, you know?
We're being called racists, all over the webz, and it just isn't true ~ although i feel certain that there are some folks who ARE racists, and are Anti-Obama based upon that,
most of us just aren't.
And i've never heard anyone call him, what would do? Ah. An Uppity Nigger. The gripes i have about him have nothing to do with his race, but if every time i try to address one of my concerns, i'm met with a wall of people who don't even know me calling me a racist, the whole discussion becomes me trying to prove a negative (can't be done), and the other person thinking i'm something/someone i'm not.
If i was a racist, would i be coming to the types of forums that allow everyone to join? i don't think so. It wouldn't make sense. It isn't logical, and it does not compute.
If you want to call me a "racist" about something, call me a racist about handicapped people. i DO treat them differently, i DO look at them differently. Same with the elderly. Same with children. But that's the nursing thang. It's an accepted "prejudice," if you will, because there DOES need to be a diff in how you handle situations within each group. Oh, yeah, i also "group" folks, because of it.
What does that say about us, Thrash? Are we basically horrible peeps 'cuz we do that?
And just the fact that it's OTHER non-racists that keep wrapping any meaningful dialouge around the race issue is absolutely mind-boggling to me.
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Yes, especially since you have a black friend.
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I wasn't necessarily talking about you in that context Fyre.
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But if you look at the basic facts, and reason your way through, there are just too many illogical inconsistenties to ignore.
What's an illogical inconsistency? Maybe that's why I don't understand the birthers arguments.
And i can tell you for a fact that the reason i am so gone on the BC issue is because i see it as our last, best chance of ousting this clown, and starting over, with the two major political parties getting the recognizition (ridicule) they so richly deserve. With BOTH of 'em sitting there, with egg on their faces, there's actually a chance to back an Independent REAL change.
So you believe the birthers argument because you want to shout "do over!!!!" on the election?
It's not good enough that there was a 2 fucking year build up to the election to first narrow it to the two major candidates, then elect Obama?
Both parties didn't already have enough egg on their faces due to Iraq and watching as the economy fell off a cliff?
That's insane. You should know by now that every year people clamor for change, then every year people ignore the candidates that really offer it, whether it's Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, Ross Perot, or dozens of others.
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People scream for someone to make things better, but they can't tell you how to get there. Then when someone new comes in and they don't give that person a chance.
It's like when New Coke came out but it still had that corn syrup aftertaste, then I switched to Diet Coke and they came out with Coke Zero, which I thought was gonna suck, but I tried it and it really does taste like regular coke. Without the corn syrupy aftertaste.
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I wasn't necessarily talking about you in that context Fyre.
You and me, Zooms ~ no words. i promise to NEVER take you "wrong" ~ if i wEnder, i'll damn sure ASK, and YOU know it! :-*
We're having to talk about "groups" of people, as if we can fit everyone into some sort of shaped box. We can, and we can't. We HAVE to, but we shouldn't.
THAT's the way of it. That's just how it is. The mobius strip of the riddle, wrapped in the enigma... All ever how that quote goes.
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Yes, especially since you have a black friend.
Which question are you answering? The first or second?
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But if you look at the basic facts, and reason your way through, there are just too many illogical inconsistenties to ignore.
What's an illogical inconsistency? Maybe that's why I don't understand the birthers arguments.
(First thing ~ sorry about pulling you up by those short hairs. i got pissed off. That truly WAS my bad. Forgive? FORGET??? Hey! Hope springs ETERNAL! But, please? "Do NOT fuck with me about my beliefs, and do not presume to know how i feel about something." <semi-direct quote from Dylly, when i was scaring him :o > Especially since i'll just TELL you, if you ask! ;) <THAT's pure ME! ;D )
It's known as Following The Path Of Least Resistance ~ It's putting yourself into the sitch, and looking at what you would do. i mean, crap! When was the last time YOU hired lawyers to protect your privacy when asked for YOUR embossed, certified, SOLID GOLD Birth Certificate? People don't do that. They fork up the ID. It's easy. Everyone's got one. Everyone has to provide one, for employement or education. Making is a SECRET of it is not logical.
Not only THAT, but he has folks that are DEPENDING on him to BE what he says he is. THEY absolutely deserve to be vindicated. They've stood behind him, giving him unconditional approval, and THEY deserve the truth. (Seriously. Fuck a bunch of anything else.)
That's why i'm on about him being a BETRAYER. He's betraying the very peeps that are NEEDED to actually make any changes, trying to distract them with this fucking racist CRAP, and willing to just kick them to the curb by lying to their faces, and arrogantly expecting that, BECAUSE Y'ALL BELIEVE THAT THE ONLY THING AGAINST HIM IS HIS RACE, he can do ANYTHING, say ANYTHING, and use y'all to run interference on the frickin' TRUTH of the matter.
Those changes that were promised? They ain't happenin'. But, DAMN, did that "rhetoric" sound GOOD! Well, perhaps not so good to the folks that were willing to research the entire load, but Hey! John Q. Public ate it up! (Note to self ~ ONLY promise the Moon, 'cuz if folks don't believe you can deliver THAT? You're fucked.)
And the "changes?" They never will happen, until EACH of us CHOOSES to be free, and responsible for our own selves.
Sad, but true.
And i can tell you for a fact that the reason i am so gone on the BC issue is because i see it as our last, best chance of ousting this clown, and starting over, with the two major political parties getting the recognizition (ridicule) they so richly deserve. With BOTH of 'em sitting there, with egg on their faces, there's actually a chance to back an Independent REAL change.
So you believe the birthers argument because you want to shout "do over!!!!" on the election?
It's not good enough that there was a 2 fucking year build up to the election to first narrow it to the two major candidates, then elect Obama?
Both parties didn't already have enough egg on their faces due to Iraq and watching as the economy fell off a cliff?
That's insane. You should know by now that every year people clamor for change, then every year people ignore the candidates that really offer it, whether it's Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader, Ross Perot, or dozens of others.
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*skims thread*
conclusion: Zoomie likes mulatto chicks?
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Have y'all checked out the Gallup Polls, lately?
That's lazy. Media poll's are unreliable at best, and are usually very wrong. I usually check out what's going on before accepting someone else's (possibly corrupt) opinion as fact.
If i was a racist, would i be coming to the types of forums that allow everyone to join? i don't think so. It wouldn't make sense. It isn't logical, and it does not compute.
Without calling anyone "racist", this is EXACTLY the kind of forum you might find someone who holds racially prejudiced views, because it gives them a platform to air their point. And virtually everyone here has aired racially prejudiced views from time to time, even if it wasnt serious.
I'm saying that it is what it is. You don't see that kind of thing in most other countries. Being a proud black man and being a proud white man... Ask any African. They'll tell you it's more important to be a proud man. In Britain it's about class. You're born into a poor family, you go to shit schools, and you work on the docks. Or you're born into an affluent family, you go to Eaton, and you end up in Parliament. No matter what color your skin or the shape of your eyes. In the US ANYONE of ANY race or ANY level of poverty and you can still make it to the white house.
But we still dwell on these absolute minor differences.
It's stupid.
I believe that class still plays a huge role in American society... perhaps not the same way as in British society, but its still there. And yes it's stupid.
I'm still yet to hear what Obama is actually doing badly. I've read a lot of to-ing and fro-ing (pardon the pun) about Obama's origin, but no answer to my original question.
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*skims thread*
conclusion: Zoomie likes mulatto chicks?
Word
But he LOVES Strawberry Blondes, Fire Bushes and Fire Poles, so we forgive him.
Thank goodness mulatto chiks aren't into bleaching their nether regions... ROFL!!!
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Have y'all checked out the Gallup Polls, lately?
That's lazy. Media poll's are unreliable at best, and are usually very wrong. I usually check out what's going on before accepting someone else's (possibly corrupt) opinion as fact.
Yeah, well, last time i checked, EVERYONE THAT HAD TWO BRAIN CELLS TO RUB TOGETHER,
for AT LEAST trusted MSM.
What the fuck are you going to do and say, when MSM turns against him?
This was a fucking TRIAL RUN, folks, to SEE how duped you could get.
Congrats.
YOU got fooled to the point of fucking over EVERYONE.
How does THAT feel? And how are YOU going to feel when the truth comes out?
i'll tell you how ~ BETRAYED.
How old are you, Reag? Please, i'm begging you: Just read some of the Anti stuff, and see if it doesn't compute.
If it doesn't, i'm down with that. But odds are, it will, 'cuz although you can fool SOME of the peeps, SOME of the time?
You can't fool ALL of the peeps, ALL of the time.
Okay, so, now, YOU have erased Gallup as a credible source for info.
Please remember that, and do NOT ever use that site to shore up the tsunami of betrayal that is getting ready to wash over you,
okay?
What sources do YOU trust? 'Cuz, dig this: i WILL read, i WILL think and i WILL see. And i WILL use YOUR sources to shut you down, in the end.
Why? 'Cuz i'm some crazy, racist bitch that can't figure out anything BETTER to do with her time?
No. (Hey, 13 is only TWO HOURS away from ME ~ i can think of LOTS of more fun things to do, pal! ;)
As a matter of FACT, Jack, i'll probably see her boobs before YOU do! :o
And if you don't change your tune? i'll do everything in my (spidey) powers to KEEP you from EVER seeing them! rofltntpmp
My Spidey Powers = 13? Could you please not EVER let Reag see your "fitness?"
Without calling anyone "racist", this is EXACTLY the kind of forum you might find someone who holds racially prejudiced views, because it gives them a platform to air their point. And virtually everyone here has aired racially prejudiced views from time to time, even if it wasnt serious.
I'm saying that it is what it is. You don't see that kind of thing in most other countries. Being a proud black man and being a proud white man... Ask any African. They'll tell you it's more important to be a proud man. In Britain it's about class. You're born into a poor family, you go to shit schools, and you work on the docks. Or you're born into an affluent family, you go to Eaton, and you end up in Parliament. No matter what color your skin or the shape of your eyes. In the US ANYONE of ANY race or ANY level of poverty and you can still make it to the white house.
But we still dwell on these absolute minor differences.
It's stupid.
I believe that class still plays a huge role in American society... perhaps not the same way as in British society, but its still there. And yes it's stupid.
I'm still yet to hear what Obama is actually doing badly. I've read a lot of to-ing and fro-ing (pardon the pun) about Obama's origin, but no answer to my original question.
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Man, i give you a CREDIBLE SOURCE, and THAT's the first thing you have to say to me??? That i'm "lazy," for looking/searching up/PROVIDING a credible source?
Please.
Might i offer a glass of ice cold, muy delicioso KOOL AID??? (you fucking FUKTARD!!! i mean that in the NICEST possible way)
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SNAFU on the last post ~ cripes, i'll have to figure it out,
tomorrow.
But For NOW...
Reag? You don't provide links, articles, nor opinion that could be debated.
You are STILL fucking around, avoiding reading anything against the Knight in Shining Armor.
Hey, man. Good luck with that.
However, i'm expect one HELL of a Peachie Schnapp's KISS as an apology for your fuktardedness.
And i'll do the same, if it ends up being MY fuktardedness!
Okay? Are we cool?
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Without calling anyone "racist", this is EXACTLY the kind of forum you might find someone who holds racially prejudiced views, because it gives them a platform to air their point. And virtually everyone here has aired racially prejudiced views from time to time, even if it wasnt serious.[/quote]
Ah... Well, that's them. i am serious.
If you just would allow yourself to think, for just a moment, that perhaps not all is as it seems...
But we still dwell on these absolute minor differences.
It's stupid.
Ummm, mind if i ask you to NOT include ME in WE??? i am NOT part of your WE, at all.
i suspect that a bunch of L-G'ers aren't, actually.
Who here "dwells upon" the race of his superior? UNLESS they're an asshole, WE DON't. (Oh. And the "nigger with an attitude?" Could be white person, a black person, or an hispanic person ~ anyone that cops an attitude with you)
Do you put up with that, in real life? These Attitude folks?
What if i said, i'm cauc, YOU're cauc, and i hate your guts? What would you blame THAT on? Oh, yeah. Sheesh! Almost FORGOT... i'm a fucking racist.
Well, if my Asian, Black and Mexican friends don't think i'm a racist? i'm goiing to go with their judgement, not just because it's convenient, but because it's probably true. They'll be nice to me, but only up to a ceratin point, you know? If i have to HOUND them about this, however, THEY'RE goiing to wEnder, WTF??? Well, actually, i think Sue would hop a flight and be here in a heartbeat,
and Sue? She'll beat you up for fucking with me. And she's SO tiny!!! rofl But she wouldn't have it, any more than i'd allow someone to fuck with her. i just can't DO physical, you know? i've been "touched" by hatred, and i just can't deal with the pure essence of it. i'm not sure if i seek Alpha females, or if they just find me, and protect me, like i'm some sort of valuable something.
i CAN say this: i should have died, too many times to count. i'm not sure why i'm still alive, to tell you the truth.
i would have laid my life down for ANYone, 'cuz it really doesn't matter how you die, you know?
It only matters how you live.
And those things that you thought were SO important? They just really weren't all that important, certainly not important enough to hurt someone over.
Hey, i'm like, crying, and cain't hardly see, so...
(NOW you know the Rest Of The Story about me using the larger fonts, the different colors, the not usual font. i depend on visual clues, a LOT. Either that, or i turn off sight, and just feel,
but that doesn't work so well in a forum setting, eh? lol
Sweet Dreamers, and i'll leave you with a little music to think about:
The Hooters - All You Zombies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8U3rO0GbEhI&feature=PlayList&p=728FDD20018C3C8B&index=6&playnext=7&playnext_from=PL#noexternalembed-lq-lq2-hq)
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A Gallup poll isn't a credible source of anything other than a measure of what a small number of people are thinking at that precise moment. It isn't information, it's a measurement. Anything read into that measurement is opinion, not fact.
And I still dont know what Obama is doing badly as President in your opinion, because you're either are unwilling to say or you yourself do not know.
And for the record, I dont read MSN, so I dont care if the do turn on Obama. I dont see any of the major American news outlets as being much more than infotaiment.
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I get all my news from NPR. Or Yahoo.
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FOX News. That's where it's at.
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http://www.caller.com/news/2009/aug/01/us-president-turns-out-to-be-american/ (http://www.caller.com/news/2009/aug/01/us-president-turns-out-to-be-american/)
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http://www.slate.com/id/2224167/ (http://www.slate.com/id/2224167/)
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the most a judge could do would be to remove Obama from office, making Joseph Biden the president.
Oh shit. Where's Sarah Palin when you need her...
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Hey Emp, I think we broke her...
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I doubt it.
I feel like I could keep on kicking the dead horse for months. And if it does stop, I might have to go get banned from some birther forums later this week because I won't know what to do with myself!
Also, I saw Sasha's boobs a long time ago. I was the one who had to take the picture of them down, since it wasn't exactly legal.
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It's still not legal. Which is why we want to see them again legally.
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Ask bagman...
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*shudders*
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I can only imagine the kind of protectionism that would be going on were the GDP in power right now
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I get all my news from NPR. Or Yahoo.
I thought Stern was your source of information.
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It's a recession, man. And I haven't held a full-time job in over a year. Sirius costs money. Cancelled it 9 months ago.
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hm.. I think I should get to see this infamous breast pic...
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I think so too, but, it would qualify as child porno, so it stays locked away on whichever hard drive it lives on these days.
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They were (and are?) good tits.
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It's a recession, man. And I haven't held a full-time job in over a year. Sirius costs money. Cancelled it 9 months ago.
You cant steal it form the interweb or something?
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You still aren't getting the bottom line:
If he isn't an American citizen?
The whole election is going to have to be re-done ~ no, all of sudden, Biden is prez, crap. i don't believe it would be tolerated, to be honest.
But more than THAT,
everything this admin has done ~ laws, appointments, whatever ~ will be OUT THE WINDOW
and i pity the fool that would try to come in, after THIS fiasco, and try to hurriedly run shit past the electorate...
That's why it's so important to me, BESIDES the fact that even with all of y'all's links, this, that, AND the other,
the case is STILL ongoing, and NO answers have been offered ~ just more silence, more hiding of the facts, and more paying of the lawyers to keep his past a secret.
Sweetie? If you don't see something BASICALLY wrong with this whole Hide-My-Past thang, i just don't know what to say.
'Cuz see? It's not just the BC ~ it's ALL of his educational records, also.
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I see what you're saying, I really do. Once a liar, always a liar.
But since his birth has been certified by the state in which he was born, the rest of it is moot. At least to me. And about 299 million other Americans.
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I see what you're saying, I really do. Once a liar, always a liar.
But since his birth has been certified by the state in which he was born, the rest of it is moot. At least to me. And about 299 million other Americans.
Nah, not so much that, 'cuz lots of folks lie about different things, for different reasons, but when confronted, and asked for the PROOF,
most of 'em will 'fess up.
Well, either that or just up and disappear.
Either way, you've got the all the Proof you need.
But someone that just arrogantly ignores the requests? That Hides the proof behind a front-line of attorneys and supporters?
It Does Not Compute. It Is Not Logical.
Yeah, well, i could go on and on... but y'all KNEW that! ;D
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Fyre, really. It's all a conspiracy theory and there is nothing to back it up. He produced his BC like a good candidate. All these photoshopped copies with parts missing circulating the internet are a part of it.
As Mosh said, after 8 years of that mindless chimp and his crew who lined their pockets well with our dollars while the world watched, do you honestly think Obama could get away with not fulfilling a single obligation to get to the white house? You're not stupid, I know you're not.
It's like the stupid forwards my sister sends me about what happened to the original signers of the Declaration of Independence, or the rumor that under the new healthcare system, euthanasia counseling is mandatory. It's silliness. There is nothing concrete to back it up. Just a bunch of rumor and poorly photoshopped jpegs.
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Fyre, really. It's all a conspiracy theory and there is nothing to back it up. He produced his BC like a good candidate. All these photoshopped copies with parts missing circulating the internet are a part of it.
As Mosh said, after 8 years of that mindless chimp and his crew who lined their pockets well with our dollars while the world watched, do you honestly think Obama could get away with not fulfilling a single obligation to get to the white house? You're not stupid, I know you're not.
It's like the stupid forwards my sister sends me about what happened to the original signers of the Declaration of Independence, or the rumor that under the new healthcare system, euthanasia counseling is mandatory. It's silliness. There is nothing concrete to back it up. Just a bunch of rumor and poorly photoshopped jpegs.
If that's so, why doesn't he just appear in court, ONCE, with it and his school records? THAT's the stumbling block i can't get over.
Well, we'll see, eventually, i suppose, and can agree to disagree until we do! 8)
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Honestly? I don't know, I can only surmise that he won't because he is the president, he's a little busy, and as soon as he shows up for one unfounded lawsuit, a thousand other conspiracies will crawl out of the woodwork with a lawsuit or FOIA request attached to them.
But since his education records are not a prerequisite for candidacy to the US presidency, it doesn't really matter does it?
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Honestly? I don't know, I can only surmise that he won't because he is the president, he's a little busy, and as soon as he shows up for one unfounded lawsuit, a thousand other conspiracies will crawl out of the woodwork with a lawsuit or FOIA request attached to them.
But since his education records are not a prerequisite for candidacy to the US presidency, it doesn't really matter does it?
Aren't they? i thought Bouche-the-Douche had to fork his up?
Although, THAT could have been 'cuz no one believed he even WENT to college... ::)
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No that was because the of the vast RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY that is now the vast LEFT WING CONSPIRACY.
It's all bipartisan political bullshit intended to keep the target party's hive mind on getting the current party OUT of office in 4 years.
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And anyone wonders why we're apathetic???
Get all het up over something, invest time, emotions, and money,
all to find out we've been duped.
You're absolutely right, of course.
Mang, i think i'm just going to go with the flippin' Lizzard OverLords CT ~ at least THEN, i won't be holding out a hope of ever knowing, FOR SURE...
ROFLMFAO
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I think Bush put his transcripts out there because he was running on the whole "average dude you'd want to hang out with" kind of image. Sure, he might've gone to Yale & Harvard, but he got Cs like everyone else.
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Obama strikes me as an academic overachiever. So I could see why he wouldn't want his transcripts made public.
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Obama strikes me as an academic overachiever. So I could see why he wouldn't want his transcripts made public.
Nice try, pal ~
i'm not touching that with a 10' pole...
;D
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And as I've said, my sweet, you're entitled to your opinion.
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No matter how unfounded.
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If that's so, why doesn't he just appear in court, ONCE, with it and his school records? THAT's the stumbling block i can't get over.
Well, we'll see, eventually, i suppose, and can agree to disagree until we do! 8)
Why should he have to, just to satisfy you? If you were asked to do same, I bet you'd get yourself a lawyer to try to block that kind of information becoming public domain. And even though he's president, doesnt he deserve some measure of privacy, like the rest of us?
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Why should he have to, just to satisfy you? If you were asked to do same, I bet you'd get yourself a lawyer to try to block that kind of information becoming public domain. And even though he's president, doesnt he deserve some measure of privacy, like the rest of us?
The truth is, Mosh, i would fork up my ID ~ as i have had to do for EACH enrollment into higher education, AND for EVERY job i've even just Applied for.
The prez of the US supposedly works for each and every citizen ~ i have every right to ask to see proof, and he has NO right to hide it.
And the thing that is SO horrible about it? He, and the dems, have left YOUR ass hanging in the wind, without a care about how you'll feel when the truth comes out.
btw, just for shits and grins: How WOULD you feel if it turns out that it WAS all a big scam, and he ISN't an American? (seriously ~ i'm truly interested)
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Personally I wouldn't give much of a shit, especially speaking as a US citizen born abroad. The idea that where you're born somehow magically determines your worth makes no sense to me at all.
That said,
...when the truth comes out.
You're nucking futs, dude.
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Personally I wouldn't give much of a shit, especially speaking as a US citizen born abroad. The idea that where you're born somehow magically determines your worth makes no sense to me at all.
That said,
...when the truth comes out.
You're nucking futs, dude.
i know...
But at least i'm not boring!
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Personally I wouldn't give much of a shit, especially speaking as a US citizen born abroad. The idea that where you're born somehow magically determines your worth makes no sense to me at all.
That said,
...when the truth comes out.
You're nucking futs, dude.
The really sad part came to me, just today, in fact. Even the reps, at this point, won't dare to challenge it, because if it's true,
the American people will lose ALL trust in our gov
and there WILL be anarchy.
So, yeah, NOT just joking around, i DO know y'all are right, and even if you aren't? We'll just never know.
That said, i feel like a complete fuktard for not having realized this, much earlier, and for continuing to try to argue with the folks that were correct.
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You mean kinda like how Dick Cheney is actually a shapeshifting space alien, and the Dems knew (and know) it, but didn't pursue it because they realized how big of an impact it would have if the truth came out?
Sad, I know. And yes, that's exactly why Cheney and Obama will never be outed as aliens.
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WHO THE FUCK said we trust our government???
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Why should he have to, just to satisfy you? If you were asked to do same, I bet you'd get yourself a lawyer to try to block that kind of information becoming public domain. And even though he's president, doesnt he deserve some measure of privacy, like the rest of us?
The truth is, Mosh, i would fork up my ID ~ as i have had to do for EACH enrollment into higher education, AND for EVERY job i've even just Applied for.
The prez of the US supposedly works for each and every citizen ~ i have every right to ask to see proof, and he has NO right to hide it.
And the thing that is SO horrible about it? He, and the dems, have left YOUR ass hanging in the wind, without a care about how you'll feel when the truth comes out.
btw, just for shits and grins: How WOULD you feel if it turns out that it WAS all a big scam, and he ISN't an American? (seriously ~ i'm truly interested)
So youre saying that no one has a right to privacy anymore? No one has the freedom of protecting themselves from unwanted scrutiny by anyone? And you wonder where your liberty went?
Also, I live in a country where my Head of State is the Head of State of numerous countries, and honestly, I couldnt care less.
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So youre saying that no one has a right to privacy anymore? No one has the freedom of protecting themselves from unwanted scrutiny by anyone? And you wonder where your liberty went?
Also, I live in a country where my Head of State is the Head of State of numerous countries, and honestly, I couldnt care less.
EVIDENTLY not ~ as i said, WE give our ID when asked for it, and the examples i gave are both apropos to the subject at hand:
for a JOB; and for higher education
What "unwanted scrutiny?" Do you want the job? Give up some ID, pal. Want to continue your education? Ditto.
My "liberty" went up in smoke, when Bush handed over the reins to the most powerful presidency, EVER
(The reps got caught in a bit of a SNAFU, and there doesn't appear to be any way out)
to a party/prez that is going to INCREASE that power, not do a retreat from it (ReadThat: piss it away).
It's a horrible state of affairs, for us.
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If you think it is going to be a sad state of affairs for us, put down the bottle and do something about it.
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man, this thread proves we'll argue politics with anyone
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So youre saying that no one has a right to privacy anymore? No one has the freedom of protecting themselves from unwanted scrutiny by anyone? And you wonder where your liberty went?
Also, I live in a country where my Head of State is the Head of State of numerous countries, and honestly, I couldnt care less.
EVIDENTLY not ~ as i said, WE give our ID when asked for it, and the examples i gave are both apropos to the subject at hand:
for a JOB; and for higher education
No, youre asking for way more than that. You want Obama to produce all sorts of documentation supporting his education, when surely its very well documented that he highly educated. Youre asking for more than his birth certificate, which has been produced and publicised widely. You dont believe his birth certificate is legit and wont be satisfied until you see a Kenyan birth certificate in his name.
Sure, you have to produce evidence of your identity and education for any job interview, but even just to be a candidate for President a person goes through a far more rigourous and thorough evaluation than any standard job interview. So, with that in mind, do you think that invasive stuff like being asked to produce academic records isnt taking it a bit far? Was McCain asked to produce his birth certificate and academic records, or would that have been seen as going too far? Evidently, enough people were satisfied with Obama's credentials to give him the job.
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There are an awful lot of people who would ordinarily be considered fence sitters joining the ranks of these rude, screaming people at town hall meetings. There was recently a meeting in a small-town in Georgia, to discuss a new highway coming through. There would be two small communities, a shopping center some churches and a school displaced. The US Rep (who is black) called a town meeting for the people to be affected (who were more than 90% black and latino) to assure them that they would not be simply disenfranchised.
Unfortunately the meeting was completely hijacked by old, white, conservatives who wanted to scream about Obama and health care.
WTF is wrong with people? These rumors started by the Reps are snowballing out of control. Bullshit about a death panel so when it gets too expensive to care for grandma they'll decide to just put her down, and FEMA camps incarderating misfits and people whose land was needed by the government. And now the conservatives are screaming about their sons and daughters dying in Afghanistan, just like the liberals were a year ago about Iran when it was THEIR PRESIDENT WHO MADE THIS MESS!!!
We should have just built a fence instead of fighting the civil war...
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We should have just built a fence instead of fighting the civil war...
I've long thought that the union wasn't really worth saving and the precedents set for acceptable presidential action in the process of fighting the American civil war have had long term negative repurcussions on democratic government.