Is it really a woman, or is it a dude?

My opinion:  That's a man, baby.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1207653/Womens-800m-gold-medal-favourite-Caster-Semenya-takes-gender-test-hours-World-Championship-race.html

fuck her and find out?

No thanks.

SO thrash would never have an answer.

I read that they were going to do some tests...

Here's an idea, check her for a penis.

[thrash]I'd hit it[/thrash]

That is hands down a man.

Dude looks like a lady.................but not his one. Dude looks like a dude

I like this picture where he's stompin on that bitche's face:

She's black and there's no bulge. You know what they say about black guys...

That they're lazy and steal things?

That's a stereotype.

Sorry...what were you saying?

I was reading about this today at work. I didn't have anything to do.

I think she's a woman, and I pretty much agree with what I've read about it. The officials fucked up by going to the media.

Also from http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/jul/30/olympicgames2008.gender

Santhi Soundarajan

One of the most tragic recent cases is yet to reach a conclusion. Soundarajan, a 27-year-old Indian athlete, has had to endure public humiliation after she was stripped of her silver medal for the 800m at the Asian games in 2006. Soundarajan, who has lived her entire life as a woman, failed a gender test, which usually includes examinations by a gynaecologist, endocrinologist, psychologist and a genetic expert. The precise results of the test have not been made public, but it has been reported that the likely cause is a condition called Androgen insensitivity syndrome, where a person has the physical characteristics of a woman but whose genetic make-up includes a male chromosome. The Canadian cyclist Kristen Worley, who has undergone sex reassignment surgery, is one of a number of people who are calling for Soundarajan's medal to be reinstated. "It should never have been handled in such a gross manner, amounting to public humiliation because of their ignorance of her condition," Worley has said. "The Olympic movement has been dealing with intersex people since the 1930s. You'd think they would have got the hang of it by now." The humiliation and prospect that her career may be over has taken its toll on Soundarajan. In September, Indian newspapers reported that she had survived a suicide attempt.

EDIT: And I almost forgot about the nazi one for you all.

Dora Ratjen

In the 1936 Olympic games in Berlin, Adolf Hitler wanted to show the world the supremacy of the Aryan race - and he needed German athletes to win. Ratjen, notable for her deep voice and her refusal to share the shower room with the other female athletes, was Germany's entry for the women's high jump. She came fourth. Britain's competitor, Dorothy Tyler, who won a silver medal, remembers her. "I had competed against Dora and I knew she was a man," she says. "You could tell by the voice and the build. But 'she' was far from the only athlete. You could tell because they would always go into the toilet to get changed. We'd go and stand on the seat of the next-door cubicle or look under the door to see if we could catch them." Tyler held the world record for the high jump, but when officials wrote to her telling her that Ratjen had broken it, she wrote back. "I said: 'She's not a woman, she's a man,'" she says. "They did some research and found 'her' serving as a waiter called Hermann, so I got my world record back again." Dora, who had been born Hermann Ratjen, had in fact been a member of the Hitler Youth and said that the Nazis had forced him to enter as a woman.

This is Dora Ratjen...I can't believe anyone thought THAT was a woman.

"It should never have been handled in such a gross manner, amounting to public humiliation because of their ignorance of her condition,"

 Her condition gives her advantages over genetic females. Stripping her of the medal was the right thing to do, and I'm not seeing how they could have done that without revealing that she was a woman only by phenotype. It sucks, but fucking over every other competitor to avoid hurting her feelings would be entirely bullshit.

I read that they were going to do some tests...

Here's an idea, check her for a penis.

from what i've been reading, checking the genitals is a rudimentary check on a persons sex.  this is quite a complex situation and not easily answered by just checking to see if there is a penis or vagina.  proper sex determination is incredibly complex and needs to include a multi-disciplinary approach. 

do the tests before announcing that shit. Honestly

They should probably do the tests before allowing anyone to compete in the first place...Why accuse someone just because they've won?

And Dora was a full-on man, they coulda just checked for a penis.

One of the athletes I read about (after seeing Sakhi's link) was found to have testicles up inside her during her autopsy.

Yep, it is not fair to put someone through that when you were already aware they could be disqualified.

I just hate the fact they went to the media just before she ran the race.


EDIT: If she does get disqualified then Britain brings home a silver.

I read that they were going to do some tests...

Here's an idea, check her for a penis.

from what i've been reading, checking the genitals is a rudimentary check on a persons sex.  this is quite a complex situation and not easily answered by just checking to see if there is a penis or vagina.  proper sex determination is incredibly complex and needs to include a multi-disciplinary approach.  

Wonder how much of THAT was going on, a century-and-a-half ago?  Wonder how much of it occurred?

We may be evolving, folks,

or totally screwing up all of our generations with all this fakey food, and artifical stuff, and dna/rna experimentation on animal food crops, and, and, and.

But since i know that the Lord KNEW where we'd end up?

i call it evolution ~ THAT is the only term that conveys the meaning.

The Olympic movement has been dealing with intersex people since the 1930s.

From the link from the guardian, so I think no.

Her condition gives her advantages over genetic females.

Along the same lines as what I think fyrenze was getting at, the anti-doping rules for the olympics and indeed the olympics themselves are pretty ridiculous. You're not allowed to take steroids or performance-enhancing drugs because it's not fair? But yet it is somehow fair if a person's genetic makeup induces their body to create more endogenous steroids naturally? Why not just take blood samples and award the gold to the person with the most potential? I think they should allow all drugs and mix the men and women. Let's let people modify themselves on purpose. I want to see monsters. They have the special- and para-olympics. Let's see the no-holds-barred hyper-olympics.

Also there should be an Olympic Thunderdome event.

That would be pretty fucking sweet.

Her condition gives her advantages over genetic females.

Along the same lines as what I think fyrenze was getting at, the anti-doping rules for the olympics and indeed the olympics themselves are pretty ridiculous. You're not allowed to take steroids or performance-enhancing drugs because it's not fair? But yet it is somehow fair if a person's genetic makeup induces their body to create more endogenous steroids naturally? Why not just take blood samples and award the gold to the person with the most potential? I think they should allow all drugs and mix the men and women. Let's let people modify themselves on purpose. I want to see monsters. They have the special- and para-olympics. Let's see the no-holds-barred hyper-olympics.

Also there should be an Olympic Thunderdome event.

She didn't choose to be born this way, she didn't do anything special for it. She just has a natural advantage. Should we then have the rules that only people that have the same body weight, the same body structure, leg length can race each other?

TWO MEN ENTER! ONE MAN LEAVES!

And of course, bust a deal, face the wheel.

TWO MEN ENTER! ONE MAN LEAVES!

That's what Sasha said...

I see no signs of breasts, or even almost breasts. I say MAN!

The tests should be done BEFORE the person competes, I think. It would keep things like this from happening in the first place.

I'm going to laugh at you all when she turns out to be a woman.

I'm going to laugh at your thinly-veiled homophobia when she turns out to be a man.

Win-win for me.

The tests should be done BEFORE the person competes, I think.

They did do the tests before, only hours before the race apparently.

Along the same lines as what I think fyrenze was getting at, the anti-doping rules for the olympics and indeed the olympics themselves are pretty ridiculous. You're not allowed to take steroids or performance-enhancing drugs because it's not fair? But yet it is somehow fair if a person's genetic makeup induces their body to create more endogenous steroids naturally? Why not just take blood samples and award the gold to the person with the most potential? I think they should allow all drugs and mix the men and women. Let's let people modify themselves on purpose. I want to see monsters. They have the special- and para-olympics. Let's see the no-holds-barred hyper-olympics.

Also there should be an Olympic Thunderdome event.

That would be pretty fucking sweet.

What  ^^^ HE ^^^  SaY!