She is staying on the other side of the duplex now with no running water and no bed.  She is sleeping on a sleeping bad which is laid out on hard tile flooring.  She is about to run out of food stamp money and has no job.  If she drinks again she will get kicked out to sleep in her car.  I am having no mercy with her.  It is the only way. 

Well, the good news is that if you wind up kicking her out of the house, when she gets clean and sober she'll look back and realize that you had no choice about it.

NOT!

Anyway, my brother lost like five jobs last year, sold all of his shit (big screen tv's, etc.), is living in a complete shithole, and has had his ass seriously kicked several times for owing people money and he still hasn't hit rock bottom as far as he's concerned. The problem seems to be that no matter how much of a fuck up you are, there's another person just as fucked up and the two of them just continue to flush their lives down the toilet while they bitch to each other about what a bunch of assholes the rest of the world is.

liiiiike... My old roommate, who rumor has it has been kicked out of her parents' house and is now shacking up with some other friend of ours from high school in Burlington, VT. She's probably lesbianing it up now as well as being an evil cokeheaded cumslut who blames me for her world of problems.

yeah, exactly.

The key is that they have to want to change. If they can live with sitting around and bitching about it then they're not going to change. This is one of the few places where "finding Jesus" is actually an improvement. I'd rather have an annoying self-righteous religion fanatic as a family member than a miserable addict.

Addiction blows, indeed ...

The key is that they have to want to change. If they can live with sitting around and bitching about it then they're not going to change. This is one of the few places where "finding Jesus" is actually an improvement. I'd rather have an annoying self-righteous religion fanatic as a family member than a miserable addict.

I dunno, man. Six of one, half dozen of the other...

An annoying positive person is a big improvement over an annoying negative additct

Religion is good at answering "Why?" Some addicts need that kind of self-assured doctrinal answer. "You should stop abusing drugs because God kills kittens when you shoot H" or whatever. It's not a great solution, but I'd rather be stuck with someone I can hate than someone I can only pity.

It's interesting how these choices work; you know?

An annoying positive person is a big improvement over an annoying negative additct

No it's not.

An annoying addict is the kind of person who calls you drunk from the ER asking you to pick them up so they can get the prescriptions the doctor just wrote them filled which will heal the staph infections they just had drained.

An annoying sober person who found Jesus just tells you repeatedly how they are a good person now and how finding Jesus made them see the error in their ways.

I just can't decide which one is more annoying.

I'm sticking with my initial assessment.

The Jesus nut you can tell to get the fuck out of your house and never contact you again without feeling bad.
The addict you can say the same thing to but you feel cold and heartless.

The addict you can say the same thing to but you feel cold and heartless.

Not if you put the muzzle of a gun in their mouth when you say it.

I was speaking for us humans naturally.

I have no problem blowing off addicts.

It would probably be different if it was ever a close friend or family member, but I choose not to interact with the known addicts that populate the fringe of my social circle.

The critical question is whether you would have less problem blowing off an addict that needed your help or a zealot that wanted to help you.
I mean I guess it's an individualistic thing. I'm secure with my moral balancing analysis.
I guess I just don't view religion as a problem on par with addiction. And the magnitude of the problem is what triggers my pity. That's just me though.

And yeah I've been pretty much analyzing it from the perspective of me being 13Cs and the problem individual being my sister.

my Father gambles too much and my Mother tells me I should go to church. Exhibit a is much harder to deal with as a family unit

I've had addicts steal from me my entire life. I stopped allowing it several years ago. When the crackheads break into my workshop to steal the tools of my trade, those which I use to feed my family, I could beat them into a coma or let the law handle things. Not breaking their fingers is the only form of pity they get.

Don't call me inhuman because I refuse let the weak, self-indulgence of others get up in my head.

Religion is more of a choice in my mind than addiction. If you think the two categories of annoying person are equally bad then good for you. I disagree completely but by this point in the thread we all know that.

Furthermore:

I mean I guess it's an individualistic thing.

There we go. That was me backpedaling. Now settle down you uppity gaffer.

Selling yourself for drugs? Fine,
stealing from friends/family? Fine,
becoming religious? Now that's just not right.

I don't find any of those things acceptable. But I'd only consider shooting someone for the stealing thing.

I have an inlaw with many an issue, we rented (I use this term loosely) our upstairs out to him years ago, all he did was trash the place an keep me awake all night.

I finally put my foot down, family or not, he has to want to improve his life. Helping him does nothing but enable his lifestyle.

He is now a toothless, mulletted, drunken grandfather...at the ripe old age of 41. After his first coke heart attack at 29, I'm surprised he's still alive. My other half knows that if I ever come home to find him living in my house, the kids and I are history.

I'd throw the sister out and not lose any sleep over it.

INLAW isn't blood like Sasha's sister ...

Inlaw is my husband's blood.

I'd throw my own blood out too, if they were that much of a mess. It's called tough love.

I didn't make my point correctly; mine was partial sarcasm that I was going to follow up with "but it's your husband's blood" ...
I know I should have gone for the uppercut instead of the jab ...

I guess I'll make a futile attempt to reclaim my thread.

Ms. CommieTwat:  What do I have to do to get you to come visit me?  Sexual favors and free drugs are on the house.

 

dylan you are my back up plan!

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hahahahaha ....

THAT is what is known as "The Backhand"!

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