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Re: Benghazi Reply #30 on: May 10, 2013, 01:40:04 PM
I don't want the govt handling my health care. They shouldn't be telling me if I can have a abortion or not.

Once again, we are back to glittering generalities. Who's feeding you this rhetoric?

You do understand that state governments are regulating abortions, right? And it's usually at the behest of religious demographics.

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They shouldn't tell me who I can marry
I definitely think you are over-reacting to propaganda in the media. No government has a right to tell you who you can marry (unless you are homosexual and live in certain states, you're trying to marry a relative, or you're trying to marry another species). It took a U.S. Supreme Court decision to overturn miscegenation laws in 1967 that barred blacks and whites and Asians and whites from marrying. The government does, however, enforce the legal rights you have with your partner, which is why divorces are extremely messy sometimes.

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and they definitely shouldn't be in charge of my money!
Your income? pension? stocks? inheritance? You should be a bit more specific . . .

The only entities that have access to your money are: the federal government (through income taxes & the Federal Reserve), the state you reside in (through either state income tax/sales tax), local government (property taxes, etc.), banks (if you allow them to keep your money), your employer (who pays you), and most importantly yourself.

But, I assume you mean the federal government is in charge of your money? If you look back at some coal mining towns, as miners organized and fought against the major mining industry, the companies created their own monetary system, paying the miners with their own printed currency. Conveniently, the scrip the companies provided could only be used in company stores, and since you could only use their currency there, they could manipulate the prices of any product, including food. Thankfully for coal miners, that practice is gone.

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It wasn't plagiarizm, I was sharing.
Sorry to accuse, I thought you were taking someone's content as your own.
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Re: Benghazi Reply #31 on: May 10, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
People in great poverty will not live in dire straits indefinitely. Josef Schumpeter coined this historical shift as "creative destruction": out of the capitalist model, socialism will prevail.

The French Revolution is a perfect example..

It wasn't plagiarizm, I was sharing. Please don't think just because I hate Obama that I'm a republican! I think we need to throw out all the politicians and start over and no, I don't want the govt handling my health care. They shouldn't be telling me if I can have a abortion or not. They shouldn't tell me who I can marry and they definitely shouldn't be in charge of my money!

I didn't assume you were, the that was just the easiest comparison. Superficial comparisons like that can, pretty much,  be done with anything.

Do you guys remember James Carvell? Clinton's PR guy? Whenever people were all pissed off at Clinton, along comes Carvell and he would say such great things about Clinton. 100 percent team Clinton! I loved that guy. THAT'S how Obama should speak about our country. ESPECIALLY to other countries.

That's kind of contradictory.  If that's the case, you should support covering up Benghazi to keep the U.S. from looking bad..

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And I apologize for the cut and paste, I should have put the link, but I don't know about you all, but I am scarred from clicking links on this site! Haha. My bad.

Don't blame you there... :)



Re: Benghazi Reply #32 on: May 10, 2013, 02:48:36 PM
Meh, I'll click on anything once.
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Re: Benghazi Reply #33 on: May 10, 2013, 03:58:11 PM
I've known too many people into scat porn and the like to trust unfamiliar links.

Maybe I should just hang around different people..



Re: Benghazi Reply #34 on: May 12, 2013, 11:14:50 PM
I'm a combat veteran, a gun owner, and I think a certain degree of socialism is a damned fine idea. Beats what America has been doing since 1945, no matter what color or party chucklefuck (thanks Johnny) was in the White House.
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Re: Benghazi Reply #35 on: May 13, 2013, 12:04:24 AM
I'll stand with you any day.
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Re: Benghazi Reply #36 on: May 13, 2013, 11:17:54 AM
This is supposed to be AN TI - social .com Fuckers! ANTI. WTF?



Re: Benghazi Reply #37 on: May 13, 2013, 01:25:47 PM
Not according to the URL.

But then, some of us aren't even big fans of guns.
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Re: Benghazi Reply #38 on: May 13, 2013, 02:28:40 PM
This is supposed to be AN TI - social .com Fuckers! ANTI. WTF?

This isn't suppose to be shit. It's an evolving process.
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Re: Benghazi Reply #39 on: May 13, 2013, 05:34:36 PM
Lol u guys crack me up. We gotta talk about the guns though. How can you not like guns? My greatgreatgreat?uncle is Freaking John Browning. I just found that out a few years ago doing family history. I had always wondered.



Re: Benghazi Reply #40 on: May 13, 2013, 06:24:20 PM
Not more that 30 minutes ago I chased two pitbulls off my property and followed them home and told the bitch she needs to keep her dogs contained or I would shoot them.

And I would.
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Re: Benghazi Reply #41 on: May 13, 2013, 06:27:58 PM
Oh and they just showed up at my door begging me not to shoot their dogs.

I'll give em a break but they better not abuse it.
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Re: Benghazi Reply #42 on: May 13, 2013, 07:43:41 PM
When I was a kid the neighbors dogs got into our yard on 2 occasions and my dad filled their rear ends with a little birdshot. That taught them a lesson. These incidents were a quite a few years apart. The last time it happened the neghbor was a biker speed dealer and he didn't like his dog coming home full of lead. So we had astandoff with my dad, brother and biker all with guns. My mom called the 1 cop we had and he said he couldn't do anything until one of them fired a gun and that he needed to go to sleep cause he had to get up early. Much like Obama on Sept 11.



Re: Benghazi Reply #43 on: May 13, 2013, 11:59:13 PM
Are you fucking mental? Obama wasn't even a buzz word on 9/11 that shit was perpetrated by the bush's.
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Re: Benghazi Reply #44 on: May 14, 2013, 12:39:17 AM
Those buildings were not taken down by terrorists they were taken down by the bush family, how can you not see that? 
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Re: Benghazi Reply #45 on: May 14, 2013, 10:00:09 AM
Are you fucking mental? Obama wasn't even a buzz word on 9/11 that shit was perpetrated by the bush's.

I think she was referring to Benghazi which occurred on 9/11/2012.

That being said, during Bush's administration there were 54 embassy attacks. Only 3 garnered hearings and, contrary to Bill O'Reilly, only 8 took place during the Iraq war.



Re: Benghazi Reply #46 on: May 14, 2013, 10:34:54 AM
I really don't get the obsession with Benghazi.

Generally my issue with Libya is the collaboration between the US/Europe/NATO and groups that under other circumstances would be called terrorists.

The Benghazi bombing would just seem to be blowback to me.  US military action and economic coercion generally exposes the US to a lot of blowback and embassies are often on the receiving end.  Temporary alliances with groups that normally strongly oppose you but with whom you briefly share a goal will only accelerate and increase the chances of blowback.
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Re: Benghazi Reply #47 on: May 14, 2013, 10:48:14 AM
How can you not like guns?

I'm not american.
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Re: Benghazi Reply #48 on: May 14, 2013, 02:22:28 PM
My obsession with Benghazi is 4 Americans were brought home in coffins. My heart goes out to their families. Then we find out they called for help, help was ready to go and they were told to stand down. And then the Pres went to bed. He shouldn't have gone to bed or to Vegas the next day.

Then the politicians try to tell us it was because of a you tube video. It was a demonstration. That is so disrespectful to the guys that died, and their families.  And thats what Hicks is talking about when he testified. The video was a non issue in Libya.

And Obama flat out lied again yesterday when he said that he always said it was terrorism. And they were on all the talk shows saying it was because of the video for weeks after. And this was from the most transparent govt ever.

Its about character and honesty which our politicians have none.



Re: Benghazi Reply #49 on: May 14, 2013, 02:55:36 PM
4 Americans brought home in coffins?

Woopedy doo!

10,000-20,000 people died in Libya, thanks to European & American efforts in propping up an opposition in a civil war.






Re: Benghazi Reply #50 on: May 14, 2013, 04:29:44 PM
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Re: Benghazi Reply #52 on: May 15, 2013, 01:27:49 AM
Give me a valid reason why anyone who is not wearing a uniform needs an Ar-15 and the debate ends here. I've been saying this since my friend Bob blew three toes off with a Daewoo Max-1 (Korea's carrier for the M-16A2 receiver) and no one can give me a good answer. (Except Cain, who is also a combat vet and collects them and hangs them on his wall).

FTR I legally own several firearms. Two handguns, two antiques and a hunting rifle. They are not combat arms. I dislike the term "assault weapon" because I could assault any of you with a 9mm Makarov, but I could kill ALL OF YOU with an AR-15 and one magazine.

"I want one" and "The Second Amendment says I can have one" are not valid answers.
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Re: Benghazi Reply #53 on: May 15, 2013, 08:53:58 AM
AR-15s play to fantasies - zombie apocalypse, governmental collapse, etc. kind of fantasies.  It's not a good explanation, but I think that's fundamentally what it is.








Re: Benghazi Reply #54 on: May 16, 2013, 07:37:49 PM
Ugggh! Really??? AR-15s protect us from our own government. And it's becomong clearer and clearer that we may need to use them soon. The 2nd ammendment protects our right to own any gun. Banning a certain gun would be like banning a certain religion in the first ammendment. Are you prepared to give up liberty?It's crazy talk. Sorry about your friend, but I've never shot myself and that shouldn't give you reason to think no one else should have guns. There was a cop in my area that accidentally shot himself in the ass with his own service revolver. Does that mean we should disarm all our police?



Re: Benghazi Reply #55 on: May 16, 2013, 09:16:48 PM
The second amendment does not protect the right to own any gun.  The US Supreme Court has ruled as recently as 2008 that it is not an unlimited right.  It's an entirely separate issue from banning a single religion and first amendment issues.



Re: Benghazi Reply #56 on: May 16, 2013, 10:59:34 PM
Ugggh! Really??? AR-15s protect us from our own government.

I don't see how owning an AR-15 is going to defend you from an M1 Abrams tank or a drone strike. If the government wants to get you, then they will get you--just ask the al-Alwaki family.

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And it's becomong clearer and clearer that we may need to use them soon. The 2nd ammendment protects our right to own any gun. Banning a certain gun would be like banning a certain religion in the first ammendment.

Sure, right. You get as many people together as you need with guns to start your insurrection. Claim that you are an enemy combatant against the government; I'll bring flowers to your memorial.

I definitely don't see what gun advocates are so fussy about. The second amendment is not going to be overturned. There are limits in place, obviously, that were amended since the revolutionary war. You can't own a fully loaded fighter jet, a bomb of any sort, or a tank; technically speaking, these are all "arms". So the argument about banning a certain "arm" is irrelevant and moot. And if you think owning one of those is reasonable, then you might need your head checked.

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Are you prepared to give up liberty?It's crazy talk.

Where was this gung-ho attitude when ole Bush was sneaking the PATRIOT Act through Congress?

Citizens have given up a shitload of liberty for a bit of security. Would you be willing to fend off an invading force without the military? Or how about absent regulations at meat packing plants? I'm sure people want to backpedal history to those days where you were lucky you didn't die from an infection in your bowels due to a foreign object in your bratwurst.
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Re: Benghazi Reply #57 on: May 16, 2013, 11:14:12 PM
I would just like to know how someone shoots off three toes with one shot from one.
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Re: Benghazi Reply #58 on: May 17, 2013, 12:43:56 AM
Hate the damn Patriot Act too. Little by little they whittle away at our liberties. We are like frogs in a pot of water and the water heats up a little more and we don't notice until it's boiling and too late to hop out. I think we should have automatic weapons and I don't need my head checked.



Re: Benghazi Reply #59 on: May 17, 2013, 09:31:25 AM
You can have automatic weapons.

There's a legal path if you wish to purchase one.

If you want one and don't care about legality, you can purchase one via the black market or you can build/adapt one yourself.  The mechanisms required for fully automatic weapons aren't secret and gunsmithing isn't difficult - just requires a little commitment to learning how to work with metal.

Why anyone would want one is a different question.

A sustained firefight with a home invader or other criminal?  Not likely.

A sustained firefight in some government insurrection/civil war fantasy?  Even if you have automatic weapons and machine guns, well-trained fire teams, and can lay down suppressive fire what you don't have is the capability to call in air strikes.  Air strikes >> small arms.  If NATO wasn't providing air cover in Libya and assisting with air strikes against the Libyan government, then Libya is still under Qaddafi's control.