See even here we have stickies posts that should not exist.
You think its about sex but when someone want's to post about gossip it's lost.

What about Travon? Shouldn't someone here besides me have brought up his issue already.

It surely fits squarely in the gossip column.

I thought about it, then decided I really dont give a fuck. Its been given way too much attention. If we ignore it, it will go away right?

>>If we ignore it, it will go away right?<<

Obviously if everyone ignores it ... it will surely go away.

My point was that nobody else here ever even mentioned it.
Is that a failure of cognizance of the issue, or a solid vote for "Don't Give A Shit" ? (external question mark)

Just wondering.

I'm still just waiting to see how it all plays out, up to, and including, many steps he gets out
of the jail before someone "caps his ass" ...

I think rioting is soooo 90's. And I think the prez is a race baiter.

I'm waiting for the George Zimmerman porno.

I'm sure it's in the making ...
It'd be even funnier if it were cross-racial man-on-man porn ...

Here's what I think:

Zimmerman had no reason to follow the kid in his car, to call the cops, to stop and get out of his car, or to try to shadow the kid anywhere.  There had been robberies by young black men in the neighborhood?  Great.  Guess what, the presence of a young black man in the neighborhood doesn't indicate that he's going to commit a robbery.

Zimmerman had no business waiting around to talk to the cops or trying to meet them anywhere.  Once he's called the cops, let them cruise through the neighborhood.  He's not a cop.  The cops didn't need his help.  I think the other 911 calls demonstrate ill-will.

Whatever happened between his call and the subsequent call is unclear.  The only story available is from a man with every incentive to lie and the cops did a shit job investigating.  They were inclined to believe Zimmerman.  They appear to have led the neighbor witness a bit in their questioning. 

Did Martin double back and assault Zimmerman?  Did Zimmerman grab Martin first?  Did Zimmerman approach with his gun drawn and get slugged by someone who wasn't going to run from the gun?  Don't know.  What I do think is that the story that Zimmerman was on the receiving end of MMA style ground and pound for at least a minute then was able to draw his gun and get off a shot isn't believable.

I think the reason Zimmerman's attorney didn't try to get Stand Your Ground immunity is because of the nature of that law.  The burden of proof falls on the defendant - so Zimmerman would have had to prove to the judge that he was in fear for his life.  I don't think he would have gotten it - and I think opening himself up to making any more statements would have been bad for his defense.

I think the defense played to racial bias and a jury with 5 out of 6 white women was going to be sympathetic to that argument.

And I think the little wanna be pig will be on the opposite end of vigilante justice eventually.

>>Zimmerman had no reason to follow the kid in his car, to call the cops, to stop and get out of his car, or to try to shadow the kid anywhere.<<

I think you are wrong there, I think he did have reason to call the cops and to shadow the kid everywhere.

But he did provoke the final incident and by all rights should have been convicted of at least manslaughter.

Obviously if the kid was up to no good he would have left the area after being shadowed by such a "Creepy Cracker" So he at least though he had a right to be there. What I have seen on other boards is a sentiment that he had as much right to be there as Zimmerman.

That is fucking bullshit. No fucking invited person has the same rights as a property owner.

Emp nailed it, as usual.

He's going to shadow the kid everywhere - to what end?  Someone's walking someplace and looking at houses while he does that?  I do that all of the time.  I see people do it through my neighborhood all of the time.  I don't see where things are "suspicious."

Zimmerman wasn't a property owner, either.  His place was a rental property.

The property they were on was home owner's association property - neither Zimmerman's nor Martin's property.  Neither had any "rights" as to the HOA property beyond what the HOA agreement said.  Even if the person is a home owner, their "rights" only extend as far as that HOA agreement - they don't own the property.

Of course, we could go back to 1800, only property owners being citizens, and Martin being property himself.

I think he did have reason to call the cops and to shadow the kid everywhere.

No, Zimmerman had no right. The 911 operator told him to stand down that the police were going to handle the situation. Stand Your Ground laws don't cover illegal pursuits of individuals--aka stalking.

Zimmerman was way too officious for his own good.

I agree with you whole-heartedly, Emp. Except that I don't agree that the prosecution should have pursued a racially motivated event. There's only a brief, fuzzy instance on the 911 call before Zimmerman hangs up when he says something like "fucking coons," but that is a very unclear from the recording. Furthermore, the media only pumped-up the racist-bashing banter so that the case took a turn in that direction as a result; thus we see a hothead wannabe cop getting off the hook for murdering an unarmed civilian.

    I think he did have reason to call the cops and to shadow the kid everywhere.

No, Zimmerman had no right. The 911 operator told him to stand down that the police were going to handle the situation.

Correct which is why I think he should have been convicted of manslaughter at the very least.

But calling the cops was a correct thing, and shadowing him until they arrived is not a crime.

I thought he was a property owner but nevertheless my statement above is still valid.  He should not have escalated the situation as he did but shit happens. Especially if you have been a victim in the past.

I have confronted several people in the past in my neighborhood but they always knew they had a fire arm pointed at them from the git go.

Oh, and there have very few instances where police ever showed up.

I think the prosecution avoided making it a racial issue to a fault, but the defense was happy to play on racial bias as it helped create doubt.

I think the prosecution avoided making it a racial issue to a fault, but the defense was happy to play on racial bias as it helped create doubt.

That actually makes more sense, seeing as how I missed the specifics of the trial. But who asked the black girl the "honky" question?

If it wasn't the prosecution, then I retract that statement. Regardless, I believe the media is inflating the rhetoric until people are attacked for being white/Hispanic.

There is a big deal going around about Zimmerman being Hispanic. That makes no difference. But there is a small cloud of persons who still see this as a race issue.

They are all wrong.

This little punk has gotten way to much publicity. The blacks are all pissed off. The asshole politicians are jumping in with their 2 bits. Celebrities saying the dumbest things. Way to go media. I agree this should be in the gossip forum.

Exactly!

Hahahahaha I didn't even realize they had moved it until now.

Ya fucking Nazi's!

Seig Heil!

The admins are anal...

Someone needs to smack Jesse Jackson and Reverand Al. Why can't a spider bite them?

The admins are anal...

Someone needs to smack Jesse Jackson and Reverand Al. Why can't a spider bite them?

Yeah really, it's not as if there are so many posts here each day that they need to control what forum they are in.

I had a reason for posting it under gossip. probably the first valid gossip post ever made here and it gets sent off to politics.

Well, the president keeps talking about it so I guess that makes it political. He's a pot stirring divider, our president. And a sleeper cell if you ask me. Time for us to wake up. Daniel Carver might be right, "wake up white people." Shits gonna hit the fan soon. And the military is going to be on OUR side. The people's!

Politics is just gossip for people that want to pretend they're refined anyway.

Heard Obama's speech today about addressing racism. His own past experiences with white women in elevators: "she gripped her purse until I got off and then exhaled a sigh of relief."

I wonder if this happened last week?

And the military is going to be on OUR side. The white people's!

That's what you mean, right?

Also fairly naive, even with that addendum.  I think you'd be hard pressed to come up with a case where a military coup turned out well for "the people."

Well the only other option is to don a burkha.

And no I'm not a racist.

The blacks are all pissed off.