Tricky: there's a reason most people tell you you can't do shit with web design, it because they didn't do shit themselves. I have the same no training the next cat does and I'll take in 30-50k extra this year. Don't believe in failure until you've trled. If you really work hard and make no extra direct salary then please console yourself with increasing your net valuenas an employee by 100%

I agree, maybe you will be gifted at it, but please don't consider it a solve all.

Nick is biased because he actually makes money at it but the rest of us are just common. His is not a common situation.

Like I said, learn as much as you can but in the meantime don't count on quick returns.

I was never arguing that you can't make money at it - just that anyone who suggests an average hourly rate of $90 is full of shit.

If I made $15/hour doing it I would think it was worth learning completely. 

You now have a reason to be fisted.

Does anyone really have to have a reason to be fisted?

I like pornography

Me too! actually.. the feeling is probably more then like.

I'd rather be watching porn!

... as opposed to starring in it?

And zoomie, what the fuck are you talking about? You've just figured the game in terms of boats and that gives you the right to dictate the success and/or failure of an IT technology?

I'm simply saying that the education you get from these mills costs $8-12K and they promise $100K starting salaries. Then you talk to someone with the same credentials who went to Community College and they tell you straight up that they got their cert for $2K, the EXACT same certification (Net+, A+, C++ developer or whatever is available these days) and they were lucky to break $40K part time their first year out. Most of that work is outsourced or given to contractor who pay their employees SHIT.

As for me figuring out the game, I've figured out that in a severely curtailed economy, leisure expenses get cut FIRST. So I'm dumping smaller boats at cost and concentrating on valuable, classic boats that collectors look for and small high powered fishing boats. As you shall soon see...

Lets replace "people can't make $90 per hour" with "most people don't sell their services in a way that gets them $90 per hour"

I make that for PC repair ...
About $75 for entertainment ...

Two laptops and a Microphone.

Well technically he does move through the room like an ambulance driver...

Dave you own the company. Unfair comparison.

Lets replace "people can't make $90 per hour" with "most people don't sell their services in a way that gets them $90 per hour"

Tricky's original post said the guy claimed that was an average hourly rate for a web designer in NYC.

The issue isn't whether or not someone could build a portfolio & network of clients that would support that hourly rate.  It's the assertion that an average web designer in NYC is taking that home as an hourly rate.

Right ...

Ah OK.




Tricky, don't be average.

CT: OK so I had a cold of some sort about 3 weeks to a month ago. I got over it, but it left me with this lingering cough/lung thing that's made me hack like a mofo for ages and has fucked my voice up to the point where I make Kathleen Turner sound like Cindi Lauper. Obviously, the smart thing to do would've been stay home and not smoke anything for a week or two till it clears up. I've never claimed to be smart. This morning, after a fairly heavy drinking/smoking session last night, I coughed up pink nastiness. I was hoping I could blame it on late night red wine consumption, but then I remembered that I'd only had one small glass of red with dinner. OK, so it was a little blood. Clearly my throat hasn't enjoyed all the coughing.

So I went to the pharmacy and got a ventolin inhaler (since I used to have asthma, I figured it couldn't hurt) and some shit to break up the crap in my lungs and some halls for my throat and some milk and honey that I've yet to touch, but seemed like a good idea for a sore throat. I was intending to go see a doctor tomorrow about all this, but my lungs right now are perfectly clear and I even managed to smoke (OK, my willpower failed and I caved and smoked the joint that was sitting in front of me mocking my not smoking it) a small joint without coughing much at all.

I'm hoping that I feel the same way tomorrow, in which case fuck a doctor, I'm fine. If not, I guess I'll rethink. Anyway, am I being too flippant about this? Am I a fool for not wanting to go see a doctor unless absolutely necessary?

Is that one of your longer posts ?

No.

CT: OK so I had a cold of some sort about 3 weeks to a month ago. I got over it, but it left me with this lingering cough/lung thing that's made me hack like a mofo for ages and has fucked my voice up to the point where I make Kathleen Turner sound like Cindi Lauper. Obviously, the smart thing to do would've been stay home and not smoke anything for a week or two till it clears up. I've never claimed to be smart. This morning, after a fairly heavy drinking/smoking session last night, I coughed up pink nastiness. I was hoping I could blame it on late night red wine consumption, but then I remembered that I'd only had one small glass of red with dinner. OK, so it was a little blood. Clearly my throat hasn't enjoyed all the coughing.

So I went to the pharmacy and got a ventolin inhaler (since I used to have asthma, I figured it couldn't hurt) and some shit to break up the crap in my lungs and some halls for my throat and some milk and honey that I've yet to touch, but seemed like a good idea for a sore throat. I was intending to go see a doctor tomorrow about all this, but my lungs right now are perfectly clear and I even managed to smoke (OK, my willpower failed and I caved and smoked the joint that was sitting in front of me mocking my not smoking it) a small joint without coughing much at all.

I'm hoping that I feel the same way tomorrow, in which case fuck a doctor, I'm fine. If not, I guess I'll rethink. Anyway, am I being too flippant about this? Am I a fool for not wanting to go see a doctor unless absolutely necessary?

Your logic's ok ...
Just don't spite your allergy ....

you're coughing blood and wondering whether medical help is a good idea. dude.

lungs are overrated.

What with the internet, doctors are becoming overrated.

It's Springtime. My lungs have been clear for three months, I quit smoking the last week of November. But this last week I started getting phlegmy. If you continue to cough blood please see a Doctor.

Cuz I don't want to be the one to say, "Looky there, fellas! Si done got the consumption!"

I'm hoping that I feel the same way tomorrow, in which case fuck a doctor, I'm fine. If not, I guess I'll rethink. Anyway, am I being too flippant about this? Am I a fool for not wanting to go see a doctor unless absolutely necessary?

Wow.  I had that happen to me, years ago.  It started out like a normal cold that settled into my chest, and it seemed like I shook it off, but I really hadn't.

I'd get up in the morning, feeling GREAT, thinking "THIS is the day that it's Finally Over," only to be dragging ass by the early afternoon, and absolutely exhausted by the time I got home from work of an evening.  I'm not sure why I didn't go to a doctor ~ probably 'cuz I thought it was just a bad cold.

As things turned out, I had walking pneumonia, and the ONLY way to get over it was with a course of antibiotics, which, because I had waited so long to start, had to be switched up a couple of times, since the disease had become resistant to all of the antibodies I currently carried.

Long story short ~ it was a nightmare, and I should have gone to the doctor by the third week of suffering the symptoms.  Any cold lasting over 2 weeks is NOT "just a cold," and should be diagnosed and treated.


A bit of advice ~ be careful with cough drops, especially menthol ones.  They will upset your stomach if you take too many of 'em, causing nausea and, perhaps, vomiting, which is HORRIBLE for a raw throat; and they'll make your farts STINK TO HIGH HEAVEN.  (Mints will do this, also)

Oh.  And when I say Stink To High Heaven?  Even YOU won't be able to stand them!  (Not that anyone enjoys their own farts ~ but your own NEVER smell as bad as "other" people's, you know?)

IMO:

Go to the doctor while you have a symptom. It's a shit load easier to get to 2nd base with the system when you're coughing up blood than when you are not.

You gota pimp your illness these days.

I didn't know I was on google maps street view...

long/lat/depth?

CT: Having trouble holding back the rage and resentment the last few days. Feeling like a bitter, broken man. Not a great feeling. Probably just need more exercise.

Wine-glasses, dude. Go down to the local bulk retailer and buy a crate of wine-glasses. Nothing relives tension like hurling a wineglass against the wall and hearing the tinkle of broken glass.

Yeah so no more blood and my lungs are way better today. I just asked myself what jesus would do and realized that the motherfucker would just heal himself, so that's what I'm doing.

Wine-glasses, dude. Go down to the local bulk retailer and buy a crate of wine-glasses. Nothing relives tension like hurling a wineglass against the wall and hearing the tinkle of broken glass.

Yes and fill them with domestic white wine and put on some Ricky Martin first.

Or, you know, a long hike followed by sitting at a fire in the evening.  Exercise to cool the immediate fury then a relaxing fire to sit at and reflect once your head is a little cooler.