i certainly see your point. i just don't accept dinner invites from guys who i can never see myself fucking or dating. i met my bf through a friend, and after a ton of chance meetings, we were at the same late night party (at his house), and we hooked up. a week later he invited me to a wedding. i told him i'd go as friends, but i honestly never would have gone if i wasn't interested in him for more than that. we definitely had sex after the wedding. a week after the wedding, i went to visit him in boston and was going to stay with him for a few nights. i walked in to his bedroom, he ravaged me, and then we showered and he took me to dinner for the first time. he paid. our waiter at the sushi place was named richard, and told us stories of his time spent working in a hotel in amsterdam, and how he saw some dude eat a "cock rock" and jump out of a fifth floor room window. pretty much the best dinner ever.

I was raised to treat the lady always. Even when I take my female friends out for lunch, I always pick up the tab or at least fight for the check.

Guy not paying for dinner=epic fail

Seriously? Why are men still supposed to pay for dinners in this day and age? We can vote, we can have high paying jobs, we can be the boss, we want equality in all forms, but the man better pay for dinner/ open the door for us, etc. How does this make any sense at all?

Why can't men and women do nice things for each other mutually?

It's called having some goddamned class.

I don't think men that go dutch are classless at all.

I've gone out with guys who went dutch and had a great date.
I've gone out with guys who would pay for everything and had a horrible date.

Whether the guy pays for the date or not doesn't matter at all. Just as long as he doesn't expect me to pay for him too, unless I'm feeling like taking him out or whatever.

I open doors for people becuase thats the way I was brought up. I open doors for anybody. Never had a woman open a door for me.

i never opened the door for you? what a self consumed cunt.

You didnt dutch many meals either.

it's not my style!

Rubbish. You did when you had some money. (that you werent going to spend on clothes ectect)

I must admit, shopping with you is the one thing I miss.

Guys buy me dinner and I spend my money on clothes so I can look hot for our dinner date.  I'm sorry Tricky that you going dutch means that you have to show up to a date dressed in Chuck Taylors, thrift stores 501's, and a pearl button down cowboy shirt.

In Japan, one party normally picks up the whole tab. So my rule of thumb went a little like:

• I always paid the first couple of dates, if she offered to pay and looked like she could afford it we'd head to another bar and I'd get a drink bought for me or something.
• After that, I was happy to pay most of the time, but as long as the dinners were within my budget.
• After a few dates, if the girl doesn't offer to pick up a meal and can clearly afford it, it's a bad sign in my books

I'm too laid back and scruffy for most Tokyo girls anyway.

I open doors for people becuase thats the way I was brought up. I open doors for anybody. Never had a woman open a door for me.

I notice that, too. I will go out of my way to open a door for a lady or anybody for that matter. I rarely see that gesture put toward me. It may be the fact of my band shirts and the random gore on them but who knows.

If I pay for the meal on a first date it means I'd like to see her again. If we go Dutch it means I'm not impressed and she needs  to work harder if SHE wants a second date. If I let her pay she better hope we brought separate cars.

I'm all about the symbolism.

CT: Our female drafter wore tight jeans to work today. I never really noticed her curves before today. Talk about wanting to take the Tongue Train to Starfish Land.

OK - my experiences here were with the Asian city princess who expected foreign man to:

• Pay for everything all the time
• Go out and entertain her at every opportunity
• Live in a stylish area of town, and only go out to chic restaurants
• Dress well all the time
• Book and pay for regular expensive weekends away

Well, thank God Sasha doesn't make me live in a stylish part of town, and only go out the chic restaurants where I have to dress in something other than a t-shirt and jeans!

The only time I willingly let a girl pay for anything on a date, is the first date, during which I will nonchalantly get her to pay the tip on our food.

How do you manage that?

I was raised to treat the lady always. Even when I take my female friends out for lunch, I always pick up the tab or at least fight for the check.

exactly.

It's called having some goddamned class.

damn, how come I had to find this in common with Daddy and Wozzeck, of all people?

You all are so old fashioned it hurts. I'm more into the thought of you get me this time, I'll get you next time, you buy dinner, I'll buy drinks, or let's go half. I couldn't let someone pay for me all of the time and feel good about it.

In case you all haven't realized, NYC is an expensive place to live and I'm usually into artist types so they don't have a lot of money to spend. If I were into business wall street suit and tie wearing guys I'd probably have another POV.

Also, when I go out on a date I dress nicely and don't spend a ton of money on clothes (because I simply can't afford it).

You all are so old fashioned it hurts.  I'm more into the thought of you get me this time, I'll get you next time...

homosexsuality is not old fashioned!

It isn`t as if I am a superlative of scum or reprobate. I am by all accounts still not even a fixture here to be part of any spectrum. Unless cock pics expedite the familiarization process.

they certainly do! keep em comin'.

I open doors for people becuase thats the way I was brought up. I open doors for anybody. Never had a woman open a door for me.

I open doors for anyone but usually I just go through and if I see someone I hold it open for them.

I usually walk through the door, and if I know someone is behind me I'll turn around after I am through the doorway and then hold the door shut as they struggle to push it open from the other side, then they start cussing me out.

your comment in that other thread reminded me of a couple of ex-girlfriends. Unless you were kidding, and I have no idea with you, anyone who puts "bank account" and "car" in their requirement lists qualifies as a gold-digger in my books.

I forgot to reply to this. I disagree. She didn't say he needs a lot of money and a flash car, she didn't specify. It could be just that she wants someone who is responsible and trustworthy and the fact they can hang on to a car and bank account, be it a crappy car and near penniless, is her way of knowing it.

I'm more toward Tricky's POV, however, if I prefer to pay the majority of the time ...
It's good to know that a girl is thinking of you and wishes to express it, however, it's not necessary ...

Once I'm with you a while, that whole "turns" thing is OK as well; it doesn't turn me off in the least ...

I guess I'm a little of both sides on this one ...

It's good to know that a girl is thinking of you and wishes to express it

Goto: Sasha's POV of cock in mouth

Hahahaha ....

Then, there's barter as well, I guess ...

Good call, dear ....

so yea, bank account and car seem to be simple standards at this point in my life.

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